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[edit] Smile

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[edit] Middle-earth terminology

If you want to call Tolkien's work a "legendarium" rather than a "universe", knock yourself out. My point is that many of the LOTR articles are written as their subjects were real people, which is completely inappropriate for an encyclopedia article and contrary to the rule against "in-universe" style. Treybien 11:50 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Encantadia

Avisala, Uthanc. Seen your Encantadia contributions (great work on the Inspirations for Encantadia article), and we can definitely use your style and skills on WikiProject Encantadia. Join up at the project page here. Mercury McKinnon 03:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ranger (Middle-earth)

Thanks for correcting me :). But shouldn't the Ranger (Middle-earth) be redirected to Rangers (Middle-earth)? But then again, I guess it should be a singular rather than plural in encyclopedic entries. I'm just going to edit and some stuff in. I'll have the Rangers (Lord of the Rings) page redirected after I finish the respective edting in the proper page. (BTW, do you know if the Rangers could speak Quenya as well? I know the Númenoreans could speak both forms of Elvish, so would the Rangers also be able to speak Quenya?) —Mirlen 22:40, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Referencing Middle-earth

Hey, I moved the conversation in the 'Things to Do' page to the 'Standards talk' page here. If you want to contribute to other sections, which you really should, it turns out to be only CBD and I deciding the Standards, please do. —Mirlen 23:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Alright, but just letting you know that I moved the conversation so if you want to insert your input, go ahead—member or not :). —Mirlen 02:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to Philippine-American war page!

That is wonderful you are filipino. As an American, I want to start our future work together and possbile friendship by saying: I am sorry and am deeply ashamed by my American ansestor's genocide which occured in your noble country. Americans have a lot to be ashamed of, and the Philippine-American War is only one event of many.

That said, please check the talk page of Philippine-American war, which explains my edits. I look forward to your future contributions. Thanks to your edits, I have already learned details about the war which I never knew about.

I have built a lot of pages about the attrocities of the Philippine-American war, including the Jacob H. Smith page, and the Lodge Committee which investigated the attrocities.

Again, I look forward to your edits and our work together. Travb (talk) 00:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lord of the Ring synopsis

Hey there. Thanks for catching the movie-inspired error in the synopsis at The Lord of the Rings (where Boromir died at the 'end' of Fellowship the film, rather than in the book 'The Two Towers'). Well spotted! Amazing what can be missed... Carcharoth 21:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for edits

I made some minor tweaks to your extensive and appreciated edits on Philippine-American War. Thanks for your contributions. I don't understand the Bonifacio/Aguinaldo arguments, since I am not filipino, but it seems like there is some definately strong opinions about both men.Travb (talk) 03:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, I want to thank you for your contribution and cooperation for the Tolkien and racism article. Also, thanks for compromising in cases where we did not fully agree (as in royal matters). Pictureuploader 13:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Middle-earth canon

BTW A paragraph in that article middle-earth canon was removed as original research. If you could provide sources and reference for those (look at the history), we will be able to restore it. Thanks for your time Pictureuploader 13:18, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your list IS valuable

The list (inspiration) you created is/was up for deletion. I want you to know there is a place for it: http://wikitistics.com . No one will be able to nominate it for deletion because it fits one simple rule: it's a statistic, list, or figure. Good luck with your endeavors! Joe 16:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Tolkien pages

My reasoning for reordering the images is that these articles need a dominant image to give them a central focus. With all due respect (because I don't want to start a fight, either) the gallery layout leaves the reader with no central point to focus their attention on. I use the Jackson images because, frankly, the other ones are lousy. I would love to know your thoughts on the subject. Treybien 20 August, 2:09 (UTC) (Moved here. Uthanc 09:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC))

[edit] RE:New LOTR Userboxes

Pretty cool that you made some new ones. I didn't actually make them though, just adopted them through WP:GUS. If you want other people to use them, you could list them here, or even here. -Royalguard11(Talk)(Desk) 01:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Elendil in LOTR?

Hi. You added LOTR to the infoboxes for Elendil and his sons. Obviously they get talked about a lot, but do they really make an appearance? I haven't reread the book recently, but I don't think so. Am I missing something, or are you using a broader guage of relevance? I see the template talk page doesn't give any guidance. —wwoods 00:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LotR terminology

I originally wrote about Legolas and Bilbo as only stated in the films. As for Ithilien rangers, I think that's what they're called anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Wiki-newbie 13:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tolkien terminology

Pretty please could you give your comments considering this issue here? It's about standardizing terminology usage in Tolkien articles, so it's crucial and a consensus is needed. —Mirlen 05:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. Enjoy! :) —Mirlen 22:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright problems with Image:NasmithWitchKing.JPG

(The trouble is that Ted Nasmith's site says this so if Rolozo Tolkien is using his images it must be by permission. We can't assume we have that here. Given that, this doesn't work as fair use since a free illustration of a fell beast can obviously be made. If the article was about the artist or the painting itself, that would be a different story.) TCC (talk) (contribs) 10:10, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I was relying on the permission cited for Rolozo and hadn't known about the earlier discussion. With permission given, "Fair use" is the wrong tag. It's fairly important though, to know under what terms the artist gave permission. If it's "Wikipedia only", then we can't use the images per the image use policy. That leaves us with fair use, and the fair use rationale given really doesn't hold up no matter how much more desirable it is to use the work of a noted Tolkien artist. See WP:FAIR. We can use copyrighted paintings for critical commentary and so forth, but not to illustrate the subject of the article. See #4 in the "Counterexamples" section. Nasmith is famous, but I don't think his work is "iconic" in the same sense as Picasso's Guernica.

However, if permission was given under acceptable terms, then there's no reason whatsoever to use reduced versions of the images. (But see WP:COPYREQ#When permission is confirmed.)

I haven't noticed any work by Dolfen or Eißmann, but without permission under a free license we're in the same boat there. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:21, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

If all he said was, "I’m happy to accept this request, yes. And yes, I guess I am curious about what specific purpose they will serve," then we certainly need clarification on the license as he understands it. It may well be there was more to the email, or in the subsequent conversation he was more explicit. If so it would be useful to know. Otherwise someone will need to contact him again. TCC (talk) (contribs) 02:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

If the image gets deleted before you get permission from Nasmith (and he's willing to license it in a way acceptable to Wikipedia) then of course you can re-upload it. Why not? There's no reason to use a reduced version either. TCC (talk) (contribs) 11:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

That message is not intended for a situation like this, but is directed at the kind of persistent uploader who keeps replacing deleted images without obtaining anything like permission from the copyright holder in the meantime. TCC (talk) (contribs) 11:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

By the way, if he is willing to release it under an acceptable license, I assume he'll want one of the more restrictive ones since he is currently using them commercially. I suggest either {{Cc-by-sa-2.5}}, which requires attribution and allows him to specify how it is to be done (say, by retaining the watermark); or {{CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat}} which allows him to specify his own restrictions except non-commercial or educational use. TCC (talk) (contribs) 11:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reader critisisms

Mate, keep everything related to changes from the book within the 'Comparison' sections. You're more linked to the book fanbase than me, so I could use your help citing some of my prose. Thanks. Wiki-newbie 16:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Silmarillion userbox

Just a quick note to say many thanks for your Silmarillion userbox {{User:Uthanc/userboxes/Sil}}. It's one of my all-time favourite books, and I've got the gorgeous hardback version illustrated by Ted Nasmith. I like your wording in the userbox – many LOTR fans probably haven't even heard of the Sil! Looks like you're working damn hard on loads of Tolkien-related stuff... keep up the good work! :-) --Slowspace 03:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

Thanks for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earth invitation; I'm afraid I must decline at the moment, I tend to keep myself to one major fandom at a time (I'm a bit burned out on Tolkien since the Jackson-films heyday).

I'll keep it in mind all the same; happy holidays! Radagast 22:41, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving pages

Hi! It looks like you're trying to move one or more pages. However, please stop doing that this way - the new name of the page might be good, but Wikipedia has another procedure for moving pages. Look at Help:Renaming (moving) a page: you need to use the move tab, and not cut and paste. Cut and paste moves don't take the edit history with them and thus violate the GDFL copyright terms. Also, in some cases, when the move might be controversial, you might first want to discuss the move on the article's talk page. If a move is not possible because a page with the new name already exists, go to Wikipedia:Requested moves. Thanks! --Kusunose 14:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reliable and non-reliable Arthurian books

Regarding your edits to Uther Pendragon and remarks on its Talk page, what books/sources (excluding actual stuff like Malory and Chretien) are reliable and what aren't? I suspect many about the "real" Arthur belong to the latter. Uthanc 13:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, I've been out of town and busy with Christmas and all that. To answer your question, I find you pretty much have to go on a case to case basis. If someone claims they have definitive answers about Arthur and company, especially if it contradicts what everyone else has said before them, they're usually full of it. Such was the case with Uther Pendragon a while back- it was some guy pushing a crank theory and getting mad that no one believed it. Personally, I tend to stick to the literary side of Arthurian matters, since there's so much more that can be said about surviving fiction than about lost facts. Most modern writers discussing the historical Arthur rely on the same set of information- the early references in places like the Historia Brittonum, the Welsh Triads and Geoffrey of Monmouth. Some, like Geoffrey Ashe, interpret contemporary histories and documents, as well as archaeological evidence. Barring new finds, though, that's about all a reliable author can do. In the case of the Uther Pendragon article, the user was making very broad claims and citing documents only his colleagues have seen. That's not good history, it's delusional speculation. If you want more books I find reliable, I'd be happy to provide a list.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:20, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ready for speedy deletion request

I've archived the talk pages. See Talk:Weapons_of_Middle-earth and Weapons_of_Middle-earth. The plan at Talk:List of Middle-earth weapons/Archive 2 can now proceed with the next step, which is addition of the speedy deletion template you drafted on the talk page, to List of Middle-earth weapons. After deletion, the move can take place as normal. When you leave the db tag, can you let the deleting admin know that the talk page archives of that page should not be deleted (Talk:List of Middle-earth weapons/Archive 1 and Talk:List of Middle-earth weapons/Archive 2), but that the redirect at Talk:List of Middle-earth weapons is OK to delete. Thanks. You could ask Alataristarion if he or she wants to do the actual move, or do it yourself. Carcharoth 00:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know and helping out with this! I'm all up for the speedy delete-move etc. --Alataristarion 05:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I noticed the delete had been done, so I moved the article. List of Middle-earth weapons is now ready for editing once more! :-) See Talk:List of Middle-earth weapons for the last few things that need doing. Carcharoth 20:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Multiverse Universal Equation

[edit] Chapter 1: 'What if?'

The existance of alternate universes is ultimately determined by a 'What if?' statement. Alternate universes can even make fantasy and all fiction real with a simple 'What if?' statement. The ultimate determining 'What if?' statement needs previous 'What if?' statements to be true often. For example: The ultimate 'What if?' statement is known as A while all other 'What if?' statements are known as B-Z and 0-Infinite. This created the extremely long equation A=BCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ01234567891011121314151617181920...and so forth. Not all alternative universes have this, having less or even more needed requirments to exist. In exist/non-exist universes where the universe was created or not, the equation is simply known as A=A/B, A representing existing whilist B represents not existing. This equation would be referenced as the Alpha Equation, due to its explaining if a universe exists or not. The Omega Equation is the ending equation meaning the previously mentioned equation is applied unless the Alpha Equation is A=B. Nevertheless all of the characters is a 'What if?' statement, from the smallest detail to the turning-point in any story. What do you think? --Eiyuu Kou 19:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ted Nasmith

I'm sorry. I don't believe I have the correspondence. I will look for it. Dhawk1964

[edit] Thanks for the invite

Dear Uthanc,

Thanks for your recent invitation. I would be glad to contribute to WikiProject Middle-earth (when time allows me to, of course). Unfortunately, I am not sure what I specifically need to do to join. Also, by joining, what, if anything, is required of me? LotR 15:34, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Something like this?

I award you this barnstar for creating this barnstar, and for all your other work on WikiProject Middle-earth. Carcharoth 04:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Tee-hee! :-) I know I said I don't like barnstars, but I couldn't resist! Carcharoth 04:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

PS. Thanks for this. I just re-read that quote and thought, "that sounds good", then realised I had written it! I'm all embarassed now! Carcharoth 08:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

And thanks from me as well. I am pretty much booked solid working on History of Western fashion and related, but I may drop in from time to time. - PKM 17:48, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I found some things I want to do on the to-do list, so I signed up. - PKM 18:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tribelands of Haradwraith

[1]. I incorrectly deleted the article Tribelands of Haradwraith. The consensus was Merge, so I merged the section into the article. Why did you end up removing it from the article afterwards? Nishkid64 15:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Middle-earth organisation

Hi Uthanc. Thanks for organising the AfDs into one section at the top of the talk page at WikiProject Middle-earth. That's much more convenient. I notice that Mirlen (who normally keeps things organised there) hasn't edited since 26 December. Hopefully she will be back soon, but as you did the last roll call, do you want to do the next one as well? Also, the talk page needs archving, and I have various ideas for tidying up the layout of the WikiProject pages - specifically transcluding the assessment stats. I might do that now, in fact. There has also been a bit of activity at the portal, though that needs less work doing to it. Though the recent featured article could be put on there. I guess this should be put on the WikiProject talk page, but I've put so much on there recently it can feel like I'm talking to myself (I know that's not true, cos the ME recentchanges list shows lots of editing of the articles, which is the main thing). Anyway, let me know what you think. Carcharoth 10:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Northmen (band)

A tag has been placed on Northmen (band), requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article seems to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable, that is, why an article about that subject should be included in Wikipedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert notability may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is notable, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (below the existing db tag) and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. -- Leon Sword 21:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] LotR Racism

I'll have to look up Shippey's exact comments. I think the main point is that racism may well be portrayed in LotR -- it is, after all, a very common human trait -- but a critic has an uphill battle to demonstrate it was shown in a positive light. It's only really possible if you assume in the first place that everyone on the side of the West are meant to be purely "good" and everyone else is purely "evil", when in fact it's much more nuanced.

Both the Rohirrim and the Gondorians are racist, and the consequences are not good. Consider how the Rohirrim treated the Dunlendings and the Wild Men. Helm Hammerhand's actions against someone of Dunlending descent was disastrous for his country; the Dunlendings believed Saruman's propaganda about the Rohirrim because they were predisposed to based on earlier experiences.

The Men of Gondor think far too highly of themselves, with the result that their leadership cannot cooperate with the plans of others except to lead. The result is Denethor's intransigence, Boromir's arrogance, and near-disaster for the West.

Sam's reaction to the dead Southron he encounters in Ithilien are in opposition to all this. That scene was hardly something an author who wished to make racism an ideal would write. (It was perhaps informed by Tolkien's own reflection on the Germans he fought in WWI. Wartime propaganda always demonizes the enemy, but they almost never really are as bad as they're made out to be.)

As I said, I'll have to look it up, and I don't know when I'll have the spare time to do that. But there are plenty of Tolkien experts here more knowledgeable than me. Maybe dab will have some thoughts when he logs on tonight. TCC (talk) (contribs) 05:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)