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Contents 1 Only University on the Beach 2 The Dark Side of UCSB 3 Endowment 4 Image layout 5 Famous People: Top or Bottom of Article 6 Founding Year 7 Reputation 8 In the City of Santa Barbara (?) 9 Humor 10 Original School Location 11 Picture of UCSB from lagoon 12 Football 13 Private dorms 14 Recent edits 15 University of California, Riverside Survey 16 USnews.com Links Broken 17 Athletics 18 Picture 19 Fraternities

[edit] Only University on the Beach

I think what User:67.103.42.237 said is true; UCSB is the only University in the country that is actually built on beachfront property. I haven't been able to find a source for this, though. Can anyone find any documentation proving one way or the other? -- Doopokko 16:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Dark Side of UCSB

On January 19 User:128.111.96.243 removed the externa link to [1] with the comment (Took out slanderous Website made primarly to promotoe GOP and racist agendas). Regardless of any political slant this website might have, I feel it is our responsibility to include the link for completness and to maintain NPOV. Doopokko 00:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

UCSB student that disagrees:

I feel that the website : the dark site of UCSB offers subjective information about the university. UCSB is a highly reputable school, in fact 12th best public school in the country. A party scene at a college is unavoidable, and IV league schools, such as Havard or Yale have party scenes just as bad. I strongly feel that the dark site of UCSB is is portraying UCSB in a very negative and subjective manner, which does not benefit the excellent reputation of the University in the subject that matters: Academics. I do not feel the link should be included, since it offers skewed information, and does not mention the academic excellence of UCSB, and the problems of other campuses, that are very similar to the ones at UCSB.

UCSB student that agrees:

http://www.thedarksideofucsb.com

Everyone should be able to make a rational decision based not just on the good facts, but on the negative ones as well. From my personal experience, if I could have seen both the good and "dark" sides, I would have never made the decision to attend UCSB. I feel betrayed. Reputation is everything! UCSB offered me early acceptance, and I took it. Now, I am constantly mocked and interrogated by family and friends about UCSB's notorious party reputation. Every person should have a right to all of the facts. This is something that I did not have, and now I am suffering because of it.

The person who took out this link [2] -- shame on you!

There is nothing said there that is not true -- most of their website is basic news articles and media coverage. This is news information that ever student that attends UCSB knows without a doubt, but new and prospective students do not have easy access too. They should have this right!

UCSB student that agrees, but with reservations:

The person above is obviously not a UCSB student. UCSB's party scene, as all others is avoidable. It is also notable the UCSB is one of the top schools in the world, often out-ranking UCLA and UC Berkeley. I believe that www.thedarksideofucsb.com should be left on the page, but it should be mentioned that the website often puts up falsified or altered facts in order to taint UCSB's image. I have a feeling that the person who posted above me has some connections to the operators of The Dark Side based on the way he writes. Yes UCSB has a reputation of being a party school, but it also has a reputation for being one of the best research institutions in the world. --Dakart 04:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

That's funny. I find it hilarious that the UC Berkeley and UCLA articles are in far better shape than this article. This article has highly erratic capitalization and is extremely disorganized. I guess that's because a lot of UCSB people are there because they didn't score high enough on the SATs or the AP exams to get into Berkeley or UCLA. Despite the mediocrity of its student population, I have to admit that UCSB probably has the nicest physical infrastructure of all UC campuses, since it is the only one with a true shoreline location (San Diego is actually a little bit inland). --Coolcaesar 02:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, NPOV? Talk pages are not for trashing universities. I, as a Californian, am glad to see UCSB and USC as opposed to Cal-Berkeley and Cal-Los Angeles.

I'm not sure what your problem is, but last I checked this wasn't a place to attack things, places, or people. But since you brought it up, I will justify my argument. All the UCs are top notch schools... It's impossible to get into a UC school as a mediocre student. In addition, a school called a "Most Selective" school isn't very likely to have mediocre students. The quality of this article has nothing to do with the quality of UCSB's students... It has everything to do with the amount of time put into it by Wikipedians. --Dakart 08:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe its because UCSB students are so busy chilling on the beach they don't have time to edit this like the kids at Cal and UCLA ;) I guess you have a point and I'll try and start working on this to show some school spirit. However, please review WP:CIVIL policy before you attack an article, a school, and a student population. Thanks! --L1AM (talk) 04:56, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Endowment

According to the sept 19, 2005 issue of "93106" the Faculty and Staff newsletter for UCSB "the comprehensive endowment for UC Santa Barbara now exceeds $130 million"

[edit] Image layout

The image layout was better [3] before. Your version [4] looks like this [5]. It doesn't look any better with alternate skins, either. I asked some other people what they thought and they said "I like the version without the extra picture of tower better" and " you shouldn't have pictures on both sides of the text". I invite other people to weigh in on this and hopefully an agreement can be reached, but for now I'm going to revert it. CryptoDerk 06:51, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Famous People: Top or Bottom of Article

Isn't it pretty much standard to put lists of famous people at the bottom of the article? I know they usto be at the top, and someone moved them down, but today they've been moved back up to the top again. Can we come to some kind of consensus about this? Doopokko 22:46, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Yeah.. every other UNI page has them at the bottom. Actually, only Nobel winners and NASA astronauts were moved up.. very strange.. they're back down, again. Madmaxmarchhare 01:14, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• • Note to Mr. Annonymous--please do not change the alumni listings again without discussing your changes first. Some questions you might want to ask yourself---What's the difference between NASA people and everyone else? I don't think there's a problem with listing them as a separate group within the alum category, but why the insistence--which goes against the standards set forth by other pages, by the way--that they be listed separately? Madmaxmarchhare 02:55, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• Alright...someone changed them again. This is getting ridiculious. I'm reverting them back to the last version by Madmaxmarchhare. Doopokko 07:55, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• I think we're going to have to ask that this article (and possibly the discussion??) be protected. Someone changed both. This is the goofiest thing I've ever seen.Madmaxmarchhare 17:41, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC) -- oops, the "vandalism" I was referring to on the article page was actually meant for my revert of this page.

[edit] Founding Year

Just our of curiosity... a lot of schools use their initial founding date, even if they combined with other schools or changed their mission. Given that, why does UCSB choose to recognize 1944 as their founding year rather than 1909?

Because it didn't officially become a UC until 1944. --Dakart 04:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reputation

Something is broken. On both a Windows XP PC and an OS X Mac running Firefox, the [edit] button is floating in the middle of the article. Dunno why. 128.111.207.97 00:41, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we could add the departmental rankings under Reputation. Someone add it if they want. Source: http://research.ucsb.edu/annual98/annual98e.htm

National Research Council Departmental Rankings (NRC 1995)

• Geography #4
• Materials #8
• Religion #9
• Physics #10
• Chemical Engineering #14
• Electrical Engineering #19
• Ecology #20
• Geology #20
• Sociology #23
• Chemistry #33

[edit] In the City of Santa Barbara (?)

There seems to be some disagreement as to UCSB being in the CITY of Santa Barbara - it's not. UCSB is in the unincorporated portion of Santa Barbara County. True, it has a "Santa Barbara" address. So do many parts of the unincorporated area around Santa Barbara CITY.

The CITY of Santa Barbara has a small strip of land that goes into the ocean and over to the CITY airport. I placed a link to the County Assessor's Office (it takes a while to load so be patient) that shows the city going out into the ocean, around UCSB. I know it's silly, but nobody wants UCSB because you can't get property tax revenues, and you inherent the normal problems of dealing with students, etc. As many locals know, UCSB wanted to be annexed with the City, but the local Board of Sups. prevented that by denying the City's application to LAFCO.

The city limits ends around Highway 154. Isla Vista is also. of course, unincorporated.

[edit] Humor

This whole section was removed. Some of the other UC sites have humor sections, why not UCSB?

• University of California Lightbulb Jokes

In this encyclopedia we are trying to produce a professional product, and lightbulb jokes -- ugh. --fpo 22:29, September 8, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Original School Location

It currently states that the school was originally located on the Riviera (north side of State St.); however, I believe that the old campus is actually the current SBCC which is located on the Mesa (south side overlooking the ocean), not the Riviera.

The Riviera is correct. SBCC is not located on the original campus

[edit] Picture of UCSB from lagoon

I just visited UCSB yesterday and took a lot of pictures. I am thinking about being bold and replacing the first picture in the article (by Alanmak) with the one I took. I visited in the late morning so the colors in my photo are not washed out in the overly yellow light of the sunset. If anyone has any objections, please let me know, or else I'll be going ahead with my planned edit this week.--Coolcaesar 03:54, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I think morning pictures are generally better than afternoon shots--so go for it, and if we don't like, we change back.--Rockero 04:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. Finally got around to it. Let me know what you think. --Coolcaesar 06:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football

The article states that football was discontinued in the 1990s. I attended from 1981 to 1985, and can attest to the fact that football had already been discontinued. In 1981, the dormies put on an "exhibition" game designed to convince the admin. to bring back football. Perhaps it did come back -- I doubt it -- but it definitely disappeared first in the 1970s.

Profnjm 14:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Private dorms

Hey guys, I've been doing some research on this school myself, and what about the privately-owned dorms close to campus that are for students? Tropicana Gardens Fontainebleu I didn't see them mentioned in the article but they're recognized by the university...they're even listed on UCSB's community housing web page. Since there are some other non-university-owned housing options mentioned, I thought maybe this should be on the page too.ShadowGuy 04:29, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Are you saying that there's non-university housing listed on the article? Because Fontainebleu and Tropicana are not only for UC students, they're largely occupied by City College students too.JohnnyRush10 08:14, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Recent edits

I removed a few of the photos and the "Nobel Prize faculty" section. All of the photos were very nice but too many of the screws up the placement of text; this is a limitation of the wiki software. Please be careful if you begin adding photos back. I removed the Nobel prize section as it covers the same material as the "Notable people" section. I also added a {{fact}} tag under "Reputation." --ElKevbo 01:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University of California, Riverside Survey

I'm posting this survey request Talk:University of California, Riverside#UCR Survey on all the UC talk pages in order to gather outside opinion on ongoing issues concerning the POV of this article. Please read the article and add your insights to the survey to help us identify any points of consensus in the UCR article. Thanks--Amerique 21:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey closed, thanks--Amerique 19:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] USnews.com Links Broken

Both links in the first paragraph that state UCSB's rank are broken. "U.S. News ranks UCSB the 12th best Public University in the United States[6], and the 45th best University[7]." Please fix, I am bissy moveing in to UCSB! Troysteinbauer 23:55, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

US News just came out with the new 2007 edition, which is why the links are broken. Unfortunately you can only see the top 3 public national universities now without a subscription so I'm only going to keep the (new) overall national rank.ShadowGuy 20:55, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Athletics

NPOV in "Soccer" subsection: this sentence ("UCSB's historic upset was deeply humiliating to UCLA, considering that Santa Barbara was unseeded during the tournament and was widely viewed as the underdog.") includes many non-neutral words (e.g., "historic upset", "deeply humiliating"). Would someone like to copy edit this section? I'd be happy to do it myself as well. Also, I think some context for the particular game mentioned (i.e., UCSB-UCLA series record, etc.) would be beneficial here.

Kunalmehta 23:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Picture

I took this picture (second one cropped), but I am not sure if it should go on this article. I dont' know what section it should be in. Any ideas?

ChristopherMannMcKay 21:05, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Nice pic. I'd advice just puttting it in any section without a photo. -Will Beback · † · 22:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fraternities

The lists of fraternities should be deleted under WP:Laundry. Agreed? Jolb 13:00, 27 March 2007 (UTC)