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[edit] Why the High Concentration

Anyone have any ideas why the asian population of UCI is so disproportionate with its surround areas compared to other UCs and why they get so many more applications from asian students? Orange county does have a large asian population but so do many other areas and their schools are more heterogeneous. Jarwulf 00:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Due to several facts:
1. Irvine has a high concentration of Taiwanese-Americans, sometimes they go to high school in the area and then to UCI or go to IVC or OCC then go to UCI.
2. UC's already get a lot of application from Asians/AAs. They are rather prestigious. Almost all UC's have rather high percentages of Asians/AAs.
3. UCI experiences the trickle down effect due to rankings. Cal/UCLA tend to be the most prestigious, then UCSD, and then the rest. UCI's location and median ranking makes it attractive.
I speak from my own experiences. Cikoykip

[edit] Trivia

The 1970 bank arson has documentation: (1) Los Angeles Times Oct 27, 1970, "Arsonists Leave Radical Signs After Burning UC Irvine Bank", p. 1; (2) Oct 27, 1970, "UC Irvine Students Disgusted, Apprehensive Over Bank Arson", p. C1; and (3) Oct 28, 1970, "New Bank Branch at UCI Opens One Day After Fire", p. B1. I confirmed these via a licensed database search, but transcripts might be available online.

[edit] Public Ivies listing

Irvine as well as UC Davis are mentioned in several Public Ivies listings. For a more in-depth discussion visit check out Talk:Public_Ivies ... For instance, check out page 53 in Cool Colleges: For the Hyper-Intelligent, Self-Directed, Late Blooming, and Just Plain Different (ISBN 1580081509) and page 117 in The College Finder, Revised Edition (ISBN 0449003892).

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[edit] Medical School controversies

I have to question if this section is really necessary. No other medical schools that have had problems have entries like these. For example, Stanford, UCLA, and USC does not. I'm sure those three medical schools are not controvery free. Also, the whole section has a biased feel to it like the writer has an agenda. 68.101.121.62 01:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I think they are worth including. At least right now, most people I talk to think of these controversies when they hear about UCI. In addition, there is widespread speculation that the new cancellor was chosen in an attempt to turn the medical school around. I tried to clean up the more extreme POV parts of the section. If you can make it more NPOV please give it a try, perhaps make it shorter? Personally I think something ought to be included, but I'm open to other opinions. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 08:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree that they are worth mentioning, but maybe in a separate article in wikipedia or in a mention and a link to a news article of some sort. I also believe what should be mentioned is the ongoing medical center controversy, which is a changing current event anyways and should not be included in the main article. Again, all medical centers are filled with controversy, no real reason in listing them all out for this one. Additionally, there is already an article for the UCIMC in wikipedia, pertinent information regarding it should belong there. Cikoykip 07:58, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I didn't realize that the medical school had its own article. I agree that the detailed account that is currently in this article should be moved there. However, I don't agree with your statement "a changing current event... should not be included in the main article." This is not standard pratice on wikipedia. New information about a person is always included in her main article first. Only when it becomes to big does it split off into a daughter article. Also, I understand your concern that UCI is the only medical school to have its controversies listed. However, there are two solutions to this problem. Remove the information here, or add information to others. I think controversies are encyclopedic information, and so any bias should be solved by increasing the amount of encyclopedic information we have, not decreasing it. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 17:45, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
I concur with not decreasing the amount of information. This information should not be erased, however, it is just my opinion that this sort of information seems kind of out of place in consideration to the entire article. Most of the article discusses the university as a whole, but this entire section devotes itself to the medical school. I'm not saying it's irrelevant, but it does seem to be specific enough to warrant its own article. I was at first contemplating moving the information to the UCIMC article, but UCIMC is not the same as UCIMS. For example, the entire liver transplant program event is associated with the UCIMC whereas anything related to the teaching or research aspect of the UCIMC is more associated with the UCIMS. Technically though, all activities of the UCIMC are in some way associated with UCIMS. I only seek to organize the information so that it doesn't seem so awkward to have "Medical school controversies" between "Notable UC Irvine people" and "Trivia". Cikoykip 10:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the section should be broken out into a separate article like the Notable People and Athletics. I'll try to devote some time to cleaning up the section so that it's more NPOV. I'd like to see some citations, too. I don't think I have enough time to research all that, though. 68.101.121.62 05:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
It is obvious you have a better grasp of the Wikipedia policies than I ever will, so I will just leave this up to your consideration. Cikoykip 11:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History Section

The UCI Library currently has an exhibit on the history of UCI of how it was planned and built as well as the key people involved. Additionally, I do know that the UCIMC has a rather interesting history as well. I'm thinking about creating a History section for the university using the information from the UCI Libraries, any comments/suggestions/help with citations?

The UCIMC History would be placed in the relevant article of course. Cikoykip 06:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] slightly off-topic

This is random, I'm sorry, but is there a user-page template for wikipedians attending UC Irvine? -MBlume 19:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

There's a list here: Wikipedia:Userboxes/Education#Institutions_By_Location. There's Template:User uci and Template:User uci2. Evil saltine 23:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
thanks! -MBlume 23:12, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name Origins

I changed the origins of the name back to what it was before due to several reasons: 1. The Irvine Ranch was wholly owned and controlled by the Irvine Company at the time of UCI's creation 2. The Irvine Company provided the land for the creation of UCI Thus the "Irvine" in UCI is from the "Irvine Company" not the "Irvine Ranch". Although you can infer that the name indirectly came from the ranch, it is actually directly from the Irvine Company's name. Additionally, there was an exhibit done at the Langson Library about UCI's history that mentioned this as well.

Additionally, several other important facts were deleted from the last edit and were reinserted. Cikoykip 12:39, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Graaah... scratch that last part, I didn't notice how in the previous version the Irvine Company part was shifted down. Forgive me, it is late and the letters are wobbly. But in addition to what I previously said, if the Irvine Ranch was a Mexican land grant, it should probably be mentioned in the Irvine Company article instead of the UCI one. Cikoykip 12:53, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Now it must really be late, apparently this is mentioned in the Irvine Company article. [Commence Head Banging] Cikoykip 12:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reactor

When I was a physics undergrad at UCI I recall hearing that the nuclear reactor hasn't been active since the mid 90's due to the cost of insurance and AEC licencing fees. Anyone know if that's still the case? -Loren 02:50, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

It's still running. In fact, it was just recently when the local politicians got involved when a candidate brought up the security of the reactor and the then Representative Chris Cox took a look. --Gogo Dodo 06:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is still running, but I find conflicting reports. This ABC article alludes to a future shutdown. However, as far as I know, it's still running -although there was some contention about it during the last elections. Cikoykip 08:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Last I heard, it was shutdown. WPW 17:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

The US Department of Energy says otherwise. Plus, we have a grant that lasts through 2009. I highly doubt that the DOE would be funding a reactor that didn't exist for the next 3 years. --Sporkot 01:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] wolves?

the article used to say that UCI had wolves until 1985 but now does not - is this false? -MBlume 23:27, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

I have not noticed any wolves, nor have I heard anything about them. It would certainly take care of the bunny problem, though. :) Andrew zot 06:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

UCI has many coyotes, but I haven't seen any wolves. We get coyote roadkill on California, near the gym. If you've lived in the southern residential areas, you can hear what sounds like children crying at night -- it's really just the coyotes, but their howls are jarring. Falsedef 01:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University of California, Riverside Survey

I'm posting this survey request Talk:University of California, Riverside#UCR Survey on all the UC talk pages in order to gather outside opinion on ongoing issues concerning the POV of this article. Please read the article and add your insights to the survey to help us identify any points of consensus in the UCR article. Thanks--Amerique 21:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey closed, thanks--Amerique 19:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parking NPOV issue

Before I get warned for violating WP:3RR, does anybody see any issues with me removing the recent parking citation statements added by three different anonymous IPs? In my opinion, somebody has a grudge and is pushing an agenda.

  • 75.31.66.112 [1]
  • 75.28.140.77 [2]
  • 75.31.77.71 [3]

I noted in my last revert to cite sources, but the statements were re-added without sources. -- Gogo Dodo 03:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I take these last two reversions [4] [5] as meaning that it's okay to keep reverting. -- Gogo Dodo 20:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Helping to Contribute

Hi, I recently graduated from UCI and have extensive information about the campus and social activities. I will help maintain this wiki and update it with the help of fellow students and former employers. Please help by reviewing my work, contributing information, and adding more UCI-related pictures to the Wikimedia Commons. Thanks! Fueltheburn 03:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Propose Removal of Parking Permit Descriptions

I think the extended listing of parking permits available to students is information overload for a general audience and would like to remove it. Does anyone concur? Fueltheburn 08:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Were you considering removing the two bulleted lists or more? I think the list can go, but the paragraph following about the Nobel permits is a little more interesting. -- Gogo Dodo 08:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
I like most of the transportation section, include the Nobel permits, and find the whole section relevant since many UCI students and faculty commute. However, I think that the list of parking permits available for students, faculty, and staff should be removed. Such information could be included in a link to the parking website at the bottom of the page. Fueltheburn 11:54, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UCI Health System wiki

FYI, I did some research and found this website, which extensively covers the UCI Health System (UCIHS). I reccommend consolidating the UCI Medical Center wiki into a UCIHS wiki, which would also include more thorough descriptions of the hospital history, medical center controversy, local clinics, libraries, and the college of medicine. UCI wikipedians would be useful contributors to such an article. Fueltheburn 12:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Better picture of Engineering Tower?

The caption says, "The Engineering Tower, located in the Henry Samueli School of Engineering, is the tallest building on campus." But the picture is of the entrance to Engineering Tower, it doesn't really capture the tallness of it. Anyone have a better picture? Cikoykip 00:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Regrettably, there are few pictures of UCI on Wikimedia Commons. I have myself noted that the pictures do not truly capture the feel of the campus (for instance, there are few pictures of anything other than those depicting Brutalist architecture). I will try to find some better pictures, including more modern architecture and a picture of the whole Engineering Tower itself. Fueltheburn 21:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] It's University Center not University Town Center

The commercial center located next to campus is called University Center, there is no "Town" in the name.Cikoykip 00:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irvine Conspiracy Theory

First of all, what's the theory?

Removed section: "*The question of The Irvine Company's role in UCI's affairs has grown to become a popular conspiracy theory among students. This theory is based on the facts that UC Irvine was built on land owned by The Irvine Company, William Pereira (architect of UCI's master plan) was also the architect of the Irvine Ranch Master Plan (which includes much of the region around UCI), and that The Irvine Company owns territory that comprises one-fifth of Orange County. It may also be inspired by the current relationship between UCI and The Irvine Company. For instance, Donald Bren (CEO of The Irvine Company and the nation's wealthiest landowner) has sponsored two of UC Irvine's most important facilities (The Bren Events Center and the Donald Bren School of Information and Computer Science), and is one of UC Irvine's largest patron donors. Also, the University Research Park was entirely built by The Irvine Company on land owned by the company and UCI, which the university leases to The Irvine Company."

I removed this section because it only talks about facts of UCI already stated and explains nothing about the supposed conspiracy theory.

Cikoykip 00:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The Irvine Company issue is perhaps more of a social commentary comparing UCI and the involvement of corporate elements in its construction and growth to more traditional universities that developed within a more historical context. I agree with your qualification, but believe that some part of this relationship should be conveyed (perhaps briefly) in this article since it is an important part of understanding UCI. At the very least, some of the deleted information may serve as trivia. Fueltheburn 21:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Without a citation, I'm afraid that this section probably violates wikipedia's policy on original research. If there has been some published speculations about the relationship, then it can perhaps be included in the article. I agree with Cikoykip that the paragraph should say something about the supposed "conspiracy" rather than just stating that a relationship exists. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 03:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Academic Units and Chancellors

I recommend that work begin on articles for each of the academic units at UCI, as other universities have linked articles for each of their divisions and schools. The Merage School has an article, but that could be cleaned up. Each article could discuss curriculum, rankings and distinctions, majors/minors, and special programs. Also, many universities have biographies for all their chancellors; this could be done for UCI as well. Fueltheburn 22:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. --best, kevin [kzollman][talk] 03:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the schools should be named School of Whatever (UC Irvine) rather than UC Irvine School of Whatever. I've made the article for UC Irvine Donald Bren School of Information and Computer Sciences, but the title looks weird to me. Falsedef 03:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Flagship"

I've removed the phrase

Is part of its long-term efforts to become a flagship University of California campus (thus joining UCLA and UC Berkeley, who share that informal description),

because "flagship campus" has a well-defined meaning; see the article "flagship." It is not an "informal description" and it does not mean "excellent school."

It means, very specifically, the original campus from which a state university system has grown. Flagship campuses are often land-grant schools established following the Morrill Act, and were often joined by other campuses during a wave of university system expansions that followed World War II.

In other words, "flagship" doesn't mean "best," it means "oldest."

Thus a campus cannot be "a" flagship, it either is the flagship or it is not.

Because of their history, flagship campuses often are the largest and best-financed campuses in the system and often are the highest-regarded academically, but it does not work the other way around. No matter what it may achieve academically, a campus founded in 1959 cannot "become a flagship" of a university system founded in 1868. Dpbsmith (talk) 13:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

The citation that the article used actually never refers to flagship meaning the first, though the author (speech giver) does associate flasgship with the first universities in the public systems.
What do we mean by the term "flagship" universities? The term applies, in all the cases I can think of, to the fully mature public universities serving most of states. In most cases, these institutions were the first public universities to be established in their states.
No state can afford to build many flagship universities. They cannot be built quickly. They cannot be built by faculty who do not meet the highest standards of scholarly research. They cannot easily be built from institutions that have historically not been involved in much research or graduate education. Once built, they can be easily destroyed by political intrusion or financial neglect. [6]
falsedef 02:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I concur with all of the above. UC Irvine can never be a flagship campus because it is too young and too small. --Coolcaesar 05:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Academic Rivalry" section

I removed the recently-added "Academic Rivalry" section because it does not provide a source for the claim that UCI will move up in ranking, and because it contains original research in the second-to-last sentence.

"Some have speculated that UCI's rapid growth in certain academic disciplines (most notably the Political and Biological Sciences as well as its well-regarded International Studies program) will help to facilitate the school's growng prestige among California's top Universities. Many academic experts predict that UCI will surpass UCLA and UC San Diego in the U.S. News and World Report rankings by no later than 2011, making it the second-most esteemed UC campus (under UC Berkeley) and third in California (when Stanford University is factored in). Given that Irvine is the youngest University to rank among U.S. News's top 50 national univisities, these claims are not unfounded. According to U.S. News and the Gourman Report, UCI already ranks higher than UC Riverside, UC Davis, UC Santa Barbara and UC Santa Cruz."

Evil saltine 05:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


Can you really say that UCI is "better" academically than UC Davis or UCSB? UCI will never surpass UCSD.

[edit] Warnings for 71.104.6.92 and 68.4.59.205

These users have been given a warning for posting inappropriate comments, as defined by Wikipedia policy. Fueltheburn 05:38, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] endowment

any evidence the endowment is really 400 million? That is quite a jump Jarwulf 02:31, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I corrected it with info from the 2007 Facts & Figures. Looks like somebody was doing a little wishful thinking. -- Gogo Dodo 03:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
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