Talk:University of Alabama traditions

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OK, I posted the correct lyrics to "Yea Alabama" and also added some notes about it and the alma mater. The part about the Percy Faith version of Yea Alabama being used in sporting goods commercials is based on my childhood memory of hearing it used that way a lot on the radio. Upon reflection, I'm not sure if that really belongs or not. Feel free to redo if necessary. MccullarsJ 19:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

The lyrics to "Yea Alabama" are incorrect. The version that was originally posted seem to stem from a recording from the Million Dollar Band in which the wrong lyrics were sung in two places. Also, there is a verse that although never played at football games, is nontheless present in the original version as written in 1926. MccullarsJ 17:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

The Million Dollar band section of this page appears to be copied from [1], which is copyrighted by the University of Alabama. I suspect that other parts of the page were created the same way. Before I do the research to put a copyvio notice on it, perhaps one of the editors will undertake a rewrite? Dystopos 5 July 2005 22:52 (UTC)

Read it now. Everything should be rewritten from its original source. Let me know of anything and I will edit ASAP. --Streyeder

Much better. I'm glad I didn't have to put it up for copyvio. Incidentally, I think Rosenberg's Birmingham Trunk has a different origin story for the "red elephants" that the university has confirmed. Something about the red-elephant logo on the bags they gave all the players for their Rose Bowl train voyage. Might be worth looking into. Dystopos 6 July 2005 03:50 (UTC)

I'll check into that. I'd never heard that version. --Streyeder

I added the second story about the "Red Elephants" and the Rosenberger's Birmingham Trunk Company. --Luckyllama

Contents 1 To Do: 2 merge some content 3 National Championship Debate 4 Rammer Jammer 5 Cleanup and rewrite 6 Dr. Ozello

[edit] To Do:

• Add SEC Championships (Team and Individual)
• Add Individual NCAA Championships
• Add All-time team stats (Wins, Bowls, etc)

[edit] merge some content

Great article so far. Some summarizing material should be presented on the main UA article. I'll start helping on that soon. Ttownfeen 06:54, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] National Championship Debate

There is no need for a full on national championship debate. Many universities claim many different years depending on what polls were prominant at the time or repected by those schools. There has never been an "official" NCAA Division 1 National Champion in football. There have always been differing polls throughout the years. This article is not the proper place for this debate.

• The issue is valid information, though. In recent times there has been agreement on "consensus #1" teams at the end of the season. And these days, like it or not, there is an "official" champion under the BCS. If "the debate" is covered on Wikipedia, a link to that article is in order. If not, it should be mentioned here. Perhaps the coverage on this article could be streamlined to refer to the coverage elsewhere and merely indicate that other teams claim championships for certain years. Simply blanking this much verifiable material for editorial reasons could be construed as pushing a POV. Dystopos 14:43, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

• • I think it would be a better solution to begin an atricle on the history of NCAA Div-1 Football championships, including early polls, mathematical formulas, and the BCS. Aformentioned article could then be referenced into this article as well as others. (Surely Alabama is not the only team with which a MNC is debated.) I think I just got it, maybe title the article "Mythical national Championships"? I'd appreciate more input. The info I RV'd is still saved and could be used for such an article. Streyeder

[edit] Rammer Jammer

I replaced "Gators" with "Auburn" only because Auburn is UA's biggest rival and UA does not play UF every year (they rotate from the East). I also added the homecoming to even the controversy some. I got the results from the CW and can add a link if anyone thinks it's necessary. --Streyeder 02:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup and rewrite

I just made an extensive rewrite of this article. I hope this isn't disagreeable to anyone; it was pretty messy. A few notes:

• I rewrote the introduction. It's rather lame I know, but what was there was copied from the main article, which was not very useful and didn't say anything about traditions.
• I reordered the sections into a more logical hierarchy.
• I removed the list of championships, as it was superfluous to an article about traditions, and already covered by the athletics article.
• The article needs some serious citing of sources. The only specific instance I tagged was the one about the MDB in Sports Illustrated; it shouldn't be too hard to come up with at least an issue citation for that.
• In several places I cleaned up the language without being very sure of the facts. To note one instance, was the "Rammer Jammer Cheer" named for the Rammer Jammer newspaper, or was the newspaper named for the cheer? Was the title of the newspaper hyphenated (as was written)? When was the newspaper founded, and when did it run?
  • The lyrics that I posted for 'Yea Alabama' come from an old book of college fight songs. The copyright notice had The Rammer-Jammer hyphenated. It existed at least as early as 1926. I think it (re?)surfaced briefly as an underground newspaper when I was there (late 70's). MccullarsJ 21:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Very interesting; thanks. I haven't had a lot of time to work on this lately, but this part of it looks pretty consistent. —LonelyPilgrim 14:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to see this article expanded to cover many more traditions. Football traditions alone could take up several articles, but I know there are a lot more campus traditions beyond athletics that could be written about. –LonelyPilgrim 06:37, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dr. Ozello

Ken Ozello is also famous as the last WVU drum major ever to run out of the tunnel at Old Mountaineer Field in 1979. DarkAudit 15:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)