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[edit] FLDS & AUB

Don't both the FLDS (on a large scale) and the AUB (on a small scale) practice this?

Yes they do. The FLDS has a larger single community, but it seems that the AUB have more communities doing this. This needs to be followed up and added to the main United Order section, along with info about any other groups practising this. --Tobey 04:49, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karl Marx got several ideas from the United Order or Law of Consecration?

I read this back in the mid 1980's, a book about the United Order (cannot recall title but it was an old thin, small (less than 8.5x11) whitish-tannish book) at the BYU library, that stated Karl Marx heard about either the United Order or the Law of Consecration in the late 1830's and incorporated several of their ideas into his works. From the jist of the book, Karl Marx got everything wrong because he took God out of the plan. If anyone knows of this book or finds it again at BYU on the shelves, Could you give us the title and quotes needed?

• The notion that the United Order somehow affected Marx and Engels is laughable. The original implementation of the United Order lasted from 1831 to 1834; the second implementation lasted from 1855 to 1858. Missionaries did not begin to serve in the United Kingdom until 1837, and even so, their activities were limited to the areas of Preston, Alston, and Bedford for many years.

  Although Engels was in England in the early 1840s managing his father's cotton factory in Manchester, it was also at this time that he began writing the 360 page treatise, "The Condition of the Working Class in England in 1844". Engels brought Marx to England in 1845 to observe the conditions of poverty. That Marx and Engels should have had any exposure to Mormon utopianism, when the Mormons themselves weren't practicing it at the time, seems highly improbable. Rcharman 03:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

As I said, Someone close to the BYU library needs to look up the book (if it is still there) and comfirm or deny my recollections. I'm too far away.

[edit] A Few Points

A stated purpose of the united order that is not mentioned which I read recently in Doctrine and Covenants 103:58-59 is to print scripture with the purpose of missionary work and the building of the kingdom. A purpose and value is to end poverty, but a value is also to support the mission of the Church of preaching the Gospel.

Also The treasury is owned by all , but I believe once property is alloted, it belongs to the individual with regular stewardship interviews. If a person opts out of the community, the community cannot take away what they currently have, and the individual cannot take away what they donated before.