Talk:United Grand Lodge of England
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[edit] RGLE? Who?
The Rui Gabirro seems intent on getting an article about the Regular Grand Lodge of England. Can some ugle mason/s please doctor it or vote for its deletion. -- RHaworth 11:01, 15 September 2005 (UTC) Link to deleted page removed. Millennium Sentinel 23:50, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] 1717
There are serious doubts on the 1717 issue, you see there is no records of that ever happened. "Organized Freemasonry in London became established on 24 June 1717 when four London lodges came together at the Goose and Gridiron Ale House, St Paul’s Churchyard" History page gives user:195.248.124.162 as the posting editor of this section, although he did not sign. Millennium Sentinel 00:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
The other issue is that UGLE was formed in 1813 not 1717 History page gives user:195.248.124.162 as the posting editor of this section, although he did not sign. Millennium Sentinel 00:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
GLE was founded in 1717. This is the direct ancestor of UGLE. Millennium Sentinel 00:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- Where can I find a list of Grand Masters of the GLE before the UGLE was founded?
VM 17:27, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
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- I'd get in touch with UGLE, they'll have the lists or be able to direct you to a publication which includes it.ALR 21:52, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Proposed deletion of 24 June 1717 date in Opening paragraph
In the articles opening paragraph, it is stated that UGLE is the oldest Grand Lodge in the world, but at the same time in the history section no one to date has provided any evidence that this was the actual case. Such statements raise issues of credibility and accuracy in this article. Additionally the mods of this website have marked the history section as requiring sources to verify the date, amongst other things. Todate the authentication of the former has not happened yet.
I have noticed that a few edits to the opening commentary have been undertaken, with it being re-edited back to its original status, perhaps unknowingly in contradiction of the need to verify dates, which is quite apparent if one reads the history section.
I have therefore put the [citation needed] superfix in the sentence containing the 24 June 1717 date. I propose that this line should either be deleted, until as such a time that the date can be verified and a supporting reference provided, or a different form or wording used. As a researcher and lecturer in the small sense of the word in this area, we should reference where possible all information and not state dates as the definate article which we cannot yet back up.
Should anyone wish to discuss this with me please do so, before they, decide to wrongly (IMOP)change it again. More work in this area is needed with references please. Aquizard 13:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- You cited a few other things, too, which seem POV rather than genuine discussion, considering the "again" tells me you're the IP editor who did the same thing before. BTW, your research skills need work - the date as stated in this article is given by UGLE itself here; if you're going to do research, try not to overlook fundamental resources. As a note, even Kilwinning #0 has dating issues - their charter is supposedly a copy of a document 200 years older, which is no longer extant. As some point you need to take the information as a given, or you have nowhere to start. MSJapan 19:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Following your latest commentary unfortunately you are wrong in your assumption that I made the original change, as my own IP address if I should it is different from that recorded, it was someone else. Research is an ongoing thing, but thank you for pointing out the source of the data and other points that you have raised. This will greatly assist me in making further edits to this section of UGLE history. Aquizard 20:50, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- These dates are citable fact, I have therefore put the citation needed in the sentence containing the "24 June, 1717" date. Grye 21:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] coat of arms
looks like someone deleted the coat of arms for UGLE from wiki. I'm guessing that the original uploader didn't put a link to the source of the file, and failed to put the copyright and fair use of logo information on the picture . . . If I had a copy of the file as a png, I'd upload it myself.--Vidkun 18:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
