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[edit] Copyright issue with Stephen Kasner WORKS: 1993 - 2006
Hello. Concerning your contribution, Stephen Kasner WORKS: 1993 - 2006, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article appears to be a direct copy from http://www.stephenkasner.com/book/. As a copyright violation, Stephen Kasner WORKS: 1993 - 2006 appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. Stephen Kasner WORKS: 1993 - 2006 has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. If the source is a credible one, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source.
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[edit] Regarding Steven Leyba
You wrote on my talk page:
- Jerzy
- While you clearly have more experience as a wikipedia user than I, I feel it is unfair of you to propose to delete my work based on an assumption on your part that happens to be incorrect. Steven Leyba is a legitimate painter, performance artist, published author, and musician. He is well known in many circles, and for you to say that creating an article about him and his work is akin to "self promotion" is completely unfair and also completely untrue, as I am not him. Perhaps Leyba doesn't interest you on a personal level, but surely you must know that others have differing opinions and tastes than you. Now, on the other hand, if my formatting is incorrect (i.e. not citing sources accurately, etc) then that is another matter. I admit that I am still learning and fine tuning my wikipedia skills, and I am more than willing to rectify any technical mistakes. But to write him off entirely as unworthy of an article, etc, seems unjustified. Furthermore, your harsh manner is confusing and seems wholly unnecessary, in my opinion.
--rebecca 07:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
_ _ Hi, Rebecca/Undream, and please don't let me leave you as discouraged as you sound, as that was not my intention. For starters, please note that removing the ProD tag i place is something you can do unilaterally. (I think that is usually more effective after adding evidence of notability than before, so that someone doesn't send it to WP:AfD as soon as they see that the ProD has failed without improving the basis of the ProD nomination. But on the other hand, pay attention to the ProD clock, so that it doesn't go past the waiting period by accident.)
_ _ I'd also like you to know that sometimes i nominate bios under WP:CSD, and even if i don't delete them unilaterally as i'm permitted to if i'm convinced they qualify, they may disappear in minutes or overnight. Sometimes all i see as needed to be sure they are deletion-worthy is the concurring opinion of one other admin; in this case, i thot instead that it was important to have several days for, hopefully, several or many editors to consider its merits and make improvements in the evidence for notability. ProD may sound like me wanting imminent deletion and being likely to achieve it, but in fact it is unlike either of those, because so much here works through our collaborative editing process: it was my way of recruiting colleagues (including you, i'm pleased to see) to participate in making a decision that i not only am not prepared to make alone, but didn't have a strong opinion on when i tagged it with ProD, and don't expect to look at carefully enough to end up reaching a strong opinion. (It's simply outside my areas of competence and of strong interest, and my stumbling on it, in the course of helping keep the LoPbN index of bios orderly and useful was for me simply occasion to figuratively shout "Hey, could somebody who knows about performance art and in-your-face painting take a look at this?"
_ _ I hope you found the comments i left in the article text, next to sentences whose display i suppressed, without pitching them out, in the hope that someone would reword them or offer evidence for their content, and put better information in their place. To the degree that my manner really was harsh, the intent was not to discourage or insult, but to avoid pussyfooting and risking ambiguity about how important it is to establish verifiability of notability of the subject, and how far from those i saw the text that i found as being. And as i said elsewhere on WP, in the last week, regarding a bio whose subject i can't recall, all too often what i call "bombthrowing" by artistic people is evidence of lack of notability that has led them to try jumpstarting their visibility with works or situations that produce more attention via conflict than via artistic quality. That burden is not always fair; Mapplethorpes and Serranos have to suffer thru being mistaken for the guys exhibiting toilet bowls that have the words "No Shit" written inside, and i can't tell which Leyba is. You may be the editor best equipped to tackle the burden of correcting my bad guess, and if you or someone else succeeds, i'll applaud (tho it'll then imply my being wrong.
_ _ Do check out at least our editing tutorial and WP:V, and look for relevant Wikiprojects and various resources at Portal:Arts. These are likely to be more helpful in the long run than just my suggestions left in commented-out portion of pages. And tho there are surely others more than i likely to answer efficiently, i'll try to answer further questions you pose for me.
--Jerzy•t 09:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Archiving your talk page
Deleting past talk, without using an archiving scheme and providing lks to the archives, is frowned upon. In your case, deletion of the talk about deletion of your autobio (and perhaps other matters) makes a particularly bad appearance, in light of your seeking treatment as a non-WP-savvy user after two years and a couple of hundred edits, and the number of AfDs you are currently involved in.
--Jerzy•t 19:41 & 19:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Krasner article
You should know by now the importance of adding references quickly in an AfD debate.DGG 07:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Steven Leyba facts
Write your articles with REFERENCED FACTS and they might not get deleted. I found this lot in half an hour:
The article needs a list of shows, e.g. at the Museum of Porn in Art, Zurich[1] and the LA show Vaudeville Flesh,(click artists) his books and the video documentary on him,[2], (the latter shown at the 4th Independent San Francisco Film Festival)[3] performances such as the Spoken Word Festival in Stockholm,[4], published texts by him [5] and where he is mentioned such as New York Foundation for the Arts' Arts Wire Current.[6]
Don't cite the cached version of links. That's just to make it easy to find the name for the time being. See also useful pages.
Tyrenius 22:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
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