Talk:Umar's marriage to Umm Kulthum

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Man, this one is a hard topic... --Striver 18:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Good work by anon. --Striver 23:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Acutally it was i who did it, but thank you anyway brother ;) Hamid 13:11, 29 November 2006


[edit] Hamid-Masri

Bro, Hamid-Masri, i think many of the edits you are attributing to the Shi'a are actually attributed to the Shi'a by non-Shi'a, while the Shi'a themselves reject some of those attributions. May i ask you to read this so you can familiarize yourself with the Shi'a view a bit more? I appreciate your efforts to improve the articles on both sides, peace. --Striver - talk 18:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, brother. I will read this as soon as possible. Please tell me which of my edits i have attributed to the shia without mentioning a Shia source. Also it is well known that not all Shias agree on everything. Answering-Ansar.org forexample denies that Ruqayya, Zaynab and Umm Kulthum was daughters of the Prophet, while Al-Islam.org admits it. And as i mentioned in the article, Al-Shia.com actually believes that Umm Kulthum bint Ali (raa) married Umar (raa), which is rejected by the Answering-Ansar.org team. So if i'd wrote anything wrong, please be specific. Thank you for your link. Peace Hamid-Masri 20:28, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay. Now i have read the article you'd present. First of all, you should know that i am not happy to read a website who calls me "nasibi" and a "dog". But i will ignore this, and raise some of the websites points anyway. Hamid-Masri 20:30, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, i also wish they did no do that, it's not very constructive. Not that it any good excuse, but there are Sunni sites that are equally vile against Shi'a, and AA is a reaction against them. I find some of their arguments useful, but their language is as you said not very usefully. You mentioned that the al-Islam.org admits this? It interesting, i might have missed this, could you please supply me with the references? I'm sorry that i did not warn you of the rhetorical nature of AA, i took for granted that it would not "apply" to a fellow brother like you... sorry. --Striver - talk 11:38, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
If i may ask, was this changes made as a result of reading the AA article? Peace. --Striver - talk 11:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I perfomed those edits as a result reading the article. If i did anything wrong, let me know. And i truly know that some sunni websites use similiar languages, which is just as wrong. And yes, Al-Islam.org admits this, quoting Bihar al Anwar. This is aviable here. And brother, ofcourse i do not view myself as a Nasibi, a hater of the AhlulBayt, as well as Shias does not view themselves as AhlulBidaa, but still i do not think that we as grown up people should use such language towards each other. But no problem anyway, of course in a shia perspective the Answering-Ansar.org arguments are useful, and so we should raise their points as well as sunni websites who uses similar language. Peace brother. Hamid-Masri 16:21, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Im glad we understand eachother :) Peace! --Striver - talk 17:30, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
hmm...i did not even find the name "ali" there, could you please provide me with a short quote so i can find it? Thanks. --Striver - talk 17:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Ali? I think you misunderstood me. I said that al-islam.org admits that Ruqayya, Umm Kulthum bint MUHAMMAD and Zaynab was the daughters of Muhammad (saw) and Khadija (raa). It was Al-Shia.com who believed in Umm Kulthum bint Ali's marriage to Umar. Hamid-Masri 19:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
I have deleted the commentary about "unknown narrators" since these "unknown narrators" does not even appear in the isnad. 86.52.120.195 12:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major Shia opinion?

I'd myself write in this article that the majority of the Shia consider this event as a lie. But that was before i came to know about all the shia scholars recognizing the marriage. For now, i'll alter the sentence into "the view that Umar married Umm Kulthum bint Ali is not held by all Shi'a". Does anyone here know about what the major opinion among the Shi'a scholars is? it would be good to have that in the article... Also, i would like to know if anyone has more references to Shi'a scholars denying the marriage? I'm sure that more than two shi'a scholars held this view... Hamid-Masri 13:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

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