Talk:Ulm Campaign

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[edit] Difference between the "Ulm Campaign" and "Battle of Ulm"?

I don't get it - Isn't the so-called "Ulm Campaign" just the background before the "Battle of Ulm" (with two minor battles before that - in a book on the Third Coalition that I read, the Battle of Ulm is the main focus of the campaign). There's a lot of new information, yes, but we should probably just add a "background" section in the Battle of Ulm article. Moreover, the casualties in the whole campaign and in the Battle of Ulm should be similar - but I see a big difference here. In this article it says 60000 casualties for the Austrian side, while in the Battle of Ulm article its just 12000 (30000 captured). Neither of the previous three battles had much casualties, so this doesn't make sense. There's also a problem with the box "War of the Third Coalition", which includes "Wertingen – Haslach-Jungingen – Elchingen – Ulm", the last linking to this article - however, this article also covers the previous three battles, so we can either: Remove the previous three battles from the list, or change the last to link into the Battle of Ulm. Aran|heru|nar 11:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The campaign and the battle are quite different events. The campaign was a large wheeling maneuver over the course of an entire month. The battle refers to the actions around the city of Ulm in mid-October. They are also analyzed separately in the historical literature. You bring up the point about the casualties: here is why they are different. At the actions around Ulm in mid-October, only 23,000 Austrian troops (or 27,000 depending on whom you read) surrendered. This was the core army under Mack. However, there were several other Austrian detachments that surrendered in other sectors. The total of this comes to around 60,000. The battles were not minor at all; they were very important to the progression of the campaign.UberCryxic 12:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought "casualties" means "wounded or dead" - shouldn't "surrendered" (or "captured") troops be separately noted? (e.g. in Battle of France, "360,000 dead or wounded, 1,900,000 captured"). Aran|heru|nar 14:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)