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Minor change: until the late 1990s, what is now known -- in English -- as the "National University of Mongolia" was usually called the "Mongolian State University." I've corrected the title to reflect the more up-to-date and preferred (by the university) term for the school.

[edit] population number

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=100365

Is the number of people correct. According to emporis it should be much less. However, according to the wikipedia page about mongolia, over half of the population of the country lives in the capital, so then it should be much more than a million? So is it more or less? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Evilbu (talk • contribs) 16:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC).

It varies through the year, as people gather in the city during winter when there is less work in agriculture. If the sources don't mention which time of year the numbers are from, the numbers may well deviate between different sources. --Eddi (Talk) 20:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I heard that the population was just under a million as of 2006. Because of increased Ubranisation. In the winter this can drop to 600,000 as citizens move out to the warmer parts of the country to escape the cold. I was told this by my Mongolian Guide. User:Segafreak2 (Talk) 00:09, 28 March 2006 (GMT)

[edit] Page needs Updating

Some older info in there, and this is an article on a capital city with a population fast approaching a million. In comparison to other cities this article is shabby and needs to be more informative. I will research and add to it, but I need help too. User:Segafreak2 (Talk) 00:15, 28 March 2006 (GMT)

how is denver, co a sister city?

[edit] Transliteration Problem

The transliterated name contains a font that at least I do not have. All that is represented is in small rectangles.

L. Greg 03:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Try getting Code 2000 font. —  AjaxSmack  06:53, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

This is not a solution; articles should be readable by people who have not reconfigured their computers for WP. Septentrionalis 16:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

No, it's not a solution but it's something recommended at the technical note over here. (A font install is not exactly a reconfiguration either.) I added a (nominally incorrect) Template:SpecialChars to the article. Maybe a new template like Template:Khmer characters is needed. —  AjaxSmack  06:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] Ulaanbaatar sum map

First. Ulaanbaatar sum does not exist. Sums are in aymags only. If we claim aymag the province, a sum will be a county. Ulaanbaatar is not a county (sum) in any province (aymag). Official name of administrative unit for Ulaanbaatar is "Capital City" (Нийслэл in Mongolian). Last years it is discussion about new country administrative division into 4 regions (бусin Mongolian): North, Sout, East, West and Capital Ulaanbaatar. So, Ulaanbaatar is on the highest level. Second. I is not any map at all. Bogomolov.PL 08:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Ulaanbaatar is a city ("hot" or "khot" in Mongolian). The subdivisions are called duureg, I think.

Ulaanbaatar administrative unit name is Улсын нийслэл "State Capital" literally. "Хот" means city, like every aymag capital. "Дyyрег" is the Ulaanbaatar administrative subdivisions name (district). All Mongolian sources place duureg on the sum level. Sums subdivisions de nomine are "баг" (bag), former "brigade" (sum in socialist time was a collective or state farm, very often with area of several thosand sq. km, so on sum territory periphery vere bags with 3 - 10 small houses in every, in larger bags vere small schools). Many of bags are in ruins now, the rest are seasonally populated. Only small part of bags are populated, mostly if they are on the larger road so "гуанз" (small restaurant or lodge)and "дэлгyyр" (grocery) are the local bisiness. Tourist business also is possible reason for bag to exist. Bogomolov.PL 16:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Railroad Ulaanbaatar-Kalgan in 1909/ possible confusion with "original" Transsibirian or some other railroad?

Does anyone have a source for this claim? Usually, the date of completion of the Transmongolian railroad is given as 1956, with UB-Jining being the latter of the two halves completed (Naushki-UB was completed in 1949). Authors from the early 1920s like Geleta or, well, Ossendowski do not mention any railroad at all. Probably they would if rails had been built just one or two decades earlier?

[edit] Metro

I found a few sites on a metro in UB, and so added their info and made a metro page, but am having doubts that a metro exsists in Ulaanbaatar! Can someone from mongolia confirm to me that there is or isn't a metro in UB? --w2ch00.

There is no Metro in UB. The site you found is quite easy to recognize as a hoax. --Latebird 16:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thanks. What a strange thing to hoax!!! --w2ch00

[edit] Transportation

Last August 2006 bus fares was still 100 tugruk, microbuses - 200. Was price rise? 2 times? And Mongolian currency is tugrug (tugrik - is not Mongolian, but Russian currecy name ). Bogomolov.PL 17:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that bus fares are encyclopedic information. Better to remove them. --Latebird 22:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I used to think that when I was last there (summer, too), normal buses cost 200 T and only Trolleybuses go for 100. But now I think I may not really have used a normal bus back then. Yaan 14:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

We usually used taxi. But we never had a free ride! My impression was rather that foreigner prizes are much more normal than free rides. The country has become a market economy, after all :(

But then, at least the metro doesn't charge more just because you don't look like a Mongolian. Yaan 14:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Another thing: What I have heard is that the/some buses in UB were indeed imported from Korea (at least four years ago, some signs still were in Korean), but were donated (financed?) by Japan. The reason is that used buses from inside Japan should, naturally, drive on the left, and so the Japanese had to get the used buses from somewhere else. Yaan 14:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] plural of düüreg

is düüreguud correct, or should it be düüregüüd ?Yaan 19:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Apparently the latter (дүүрэгууд). Bu then, a recent discussion here has resulted in the conclusion that we shouldn't use Mongolian plurals at all. I'm not sure if that already counts as a sufficient consensus, but I think it would be a good idea.

Btw: Most of the related information here (especially the table) could be moved to the article Districts of Ulaanbaatar --Latebird 22:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

There also was an article Düüreg, where I have now merged all relevant information. --Latebird 16:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ulaanbaatar Preference

All of the Mongolians I've met prefer the Ulaanbaatar spelling; I think it's vital that we include that in the article somewhere, but I'm not sure how to reference it. Mind you, I understand why Wikipedia can make a case for Ulan Bator--annoying though it may be to Mongolians (I've been using Ulaanbaatar in all of my articles as well). What do you folks think about a section like this:

When writing the name in of the city in Roman letters, Mongolians definitely prefer Ulaanbaatar. The name is spelled as such throughout the city; it also appears in Mongolian passports and is listed as such at the United Nations' English website. Ulan Bator is seen as a "Russian" name and thus somewhat culturally condescending.

Anyway, I would have been an oppose in the archived debate. Would the U.N. Website be adequate reference?

^xhttp://cyberschoolbus.un.org/infonation/index.asp?id=496 Nhrenton 13:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

It's natural that the Mongolians prefer their own spelling (as do I in personal use, btw.), but that doesn't need to be emphasized in the article. There's a statement similar to your "condescending" in the german language version, but as much as I hate to say it, I have to consider that OR and will probably remove it there. The article here already gives detailled information about the different names and their origins, meanings, and uses, which looks encyclopedically adequate to me. Maybe we could also explain that the Russian Улан-Батор historically precedes the Mongolian Улаанбаатар, because the cyrillic script was only introduced in Mongolia 17 years after the name change --Latebird 15:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Does Polish disagree with English name of his country and prefer more native form Polska instead of Poland? Warszawa instead of Warsaw? Magyarország instead of Hungary? Even if (I think so) name Ulan Bator had come thru Russian mediation - this name really exists in English language. Peking, Calcutta etc - are in English, because there are books (do you want to reprint books?) with this names and there are persons (me, may be I'm not alone) who feel Kolkata etc like renaming. Bogomolov.PL 15:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Peking and Calcutta are two really great examples of links that redirect to their current names. Thanks! ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 16:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Peking/Beijing and Calcutta/Kolkata reflect situations entirely different to what we're discussing here, so they are not relevant as examples either way. --Latebird 17:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, with UB situation is different - Mongolia (may be I'm in mistake) didn't clame that only Ulaanbaatar is officially acceptable name (not like it was with Beijing and Kolkata). It is normal if toponimes in English and in native language are different. For Italians will be a great surprise how Polish call Italia - Włochy. Bogomolov.PL 18:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments; I bow to the majority. Anyway, I think the spelling's in flux, and eventually will become Ulaanbaatar; the trend is toward culturally sensitive Romanization (i.e., using a Romanization convenient for the "non-Raman" people). I just think the historic nomenclature discussion is incomplete without discussion of the increasing use of Ulaanbaatar. Mind you, some poor soul will have to go through every wiki article and alter every ulaanbaatar--and I predict that many a pedantic Mongolian will change it! We English-speakers will be much more tolerant of diversity. Finally, it's not as if Ulan Bator is as firmly ensconced in the lexicon as say, Venice or Peking. btw.: OR?--something with opinion? I'll scour my brain for a safe way to express this.Nhrenton 13:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The trend to using endonyms more often is a consequence of our globalized information infrastructure. As such it is not specific to this example, so it probably doesn't need to be explained here either. OR = Original Research. --Latebird 14:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Pretty silly that the article continues to be under an outdated, incorrect spelling. It's Ulaanbaatar, people. Vidor 22:24, 29 March 2007 (UTC)