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[edit] Modern history - Kuchma's regime

I suggest to substitute the paragraph

In 2004, Kuchma's regime was removed through the peaceful Orange Revolution. The revolution brought Viktor Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko to power, while casting Viktor Yanukovych in opposition.

with the thу next one:

In 2004, Viktor Yushchenko was elected as the President in controvercial elections accompanied by a series of protests and political events known as The Orange Revolution. Yulia Tymoshenko was appointed as a Prime-Minister while Viktor Yanukovych was cast in opposition.

I believe that there was no Kuchma's regime (Kuchma is not Saddam Hussein or Augusto Pinochet) and even if it was Kuchma's regime it wasn't removed through the peaceful Orange Revolution, because there were elections and there was elected a new President. And it was not a revolution that brought Viktor Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko to power, but people who elected Yushchenko as the President. Elefante bianco 08:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You can edit an article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rebecca N K (talk • contribs).

Yeah Kuchma was not like Saddam Hussein. But he was really close)) Vinnitsa

Reverted back to original statement, the proposed one is blatantly incorrect and glosses over an important area in Ukrainian history. The first election was controversial and was decided to be corrupt and therefore void by the Ukrainian supreme court (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1101384864687_165/?hub=CTVNewsAt11) which lead protests and political events known as The Orange Revolution and subsequently to the second election, which removed Kuchma's regime. ~ AndrewUofT

While I personally supported these events, "Kuchma regime" is a wording that blatantly violates NPOV and cannot be used passingly. I am reverting you change. --Irpen 23:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll change 'regime' to 'government' ~ AndrewUofT

It's still misleading. Kuchma would not remain president regardless of the Orange Revolution. Sergivs-en 21:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Then you really don't understand what the Orange Revolution was about ~ AndrewUofT

I'm sorry. I actually don't fully understand what it was all about, and am amused by the fact that so many people think that they do. However, all of that is irrelevant here. What you wrote is literally incorrect, regardless of political sympathies and views on the Orange Revolution. I'm changing the text to the following: In 2004, Victor Yanukovich, then Prime Minister, was declared the winner of the presidential elections, which had been rigged, as many observers agreed. The results caused a public outcry in support of the opposition candidate, Victor Yuschenko, who challenged the results and lead the peaceful Orange Revolution. Sergivs-en 22:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ethnic history

I'm no expert on Ukraine or Poland, but it seems odd that the history section contains no mention of Polish-Ukrainian strife. Anyone ever heard of OUN? Stepan Bandera? Sca 15:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Location maps available for infoboxes of European countries

On the WikiProject Countries talk page, the section Location Maps for European countries had shown new maps created by David Liuzzo, that are available for the countries of the European continent, and for countries of the European Union exist in two versions. From November 16, 2006 till January 31, 2007, a poll had tried to find a consensus for usage of 'old' or of which and where 'new' version maps. Please note that since January 1, 2007 all new maps became updated by David Liuzzo (including a world locator, enlarged cut-out for small countries) and as of February 4, 2007 the restricted licence that had jeopardized their availability on Wikimedia Commons, became more free. At its closing, 25 people had spoken in favor of either of the two presented usages of new versions but neither version had reached a consensus (12 and 13), and 18 had preferred old maps.
As this outcome cannot justify reverting of new maps that had become used for some countries, seconds before February 5, 2007 a survey started that will be closed soon at February 20, 2007 23:59:59. It should establish two things: Please read the discussion (also in other sections α, β, γ, δ, ε, ζ, η, θ) and in particular the arguments offered by the forementioned poll, while realizing some comments to have been made prior to updating the maps, and all prior to modifying the licences, before carefully reading the presentation of the currently open survey. You are invited to only then finally make up your mind and vote for only one option.
There mustnot be 'oppose' votes; if none of the options would be appreciated, you could vote for the option you might with some effort find least difficult to live with - rather like elections only allowing to vote for one of several candidates. Obviously, you are most welcome to leave a brief argumentation with your vote. Kind regards. — SomeHuman 19 Feb 2007 00:19 (UTC)


[edit] Photos

I have some photos of Ukraine that may be of interest to readers, but unfortunately I cannot release them for use on Wikipedia itself. How would people feel about linking to them? The URL for the page is http://www.slayman.com/images/europe/ukraine/ . Astigmat 02:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gap in the begining of the article

There seems to be a huge reappearing gap in the begining of the article, people seem to be removing it but it just keeps coming back...why can't we get rid of it Permanently? bogdan 14:35, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a bug in the Portal template, which is protected. — Alex(T|C|E) 22:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Etymilogy

I propose to move the whole section to the bottom of the article. Which word does the Kyiv Chronicle mention: Krayina or Ukrayina? Please clarify. Addded [citation needed]. The referenced text Ukraine or The Ukraine by Andrew Gregorovich is clearly biased: A few neanderthal writers in the past have even promoted "the Ukraine"... Please provide a better reference to support the krajina theory. I added a link to the online version of Vasmer's etymological dictionary of the Russian language. I wonder if Vasmer is one of the Neanderthals Gregorovich is referring to. Sergivs-en 21:46, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

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