Talk:UEFA Champions League 2006-07/Archive 3
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[edit] The 4 pots for the group stage draw
Not that it will really make a difference. Does anyone know the rule of who gets the top spot for the group stage draw? Kingjeff 21:43, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] final positions within groups before the first match
quote from Uefa: "Once the draw procedure has been completed, a computer draw will determine the final position of the sides within their group." When will these be available? Some fan sites have already updated the schedules due to these final positions, but i can't find them anywhere...
[edit] Serie A Scandal
FIFA has threatened the Italian federation of suspension. What effect would this have on all the Italian teams. Kingjeff 18:30, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merger Discussion - Fixtures and results
Should we really create another article just for the results? Couldn't we just put a football match box as in the World Cup 2006 article below the groups with the games of those group, or do as in the UEFA Champions League 2005-06 and just put the scores. I don't really think there is a need to create another article, let's centralize information.
What do you think? --Serte 20:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Some a few months ago complained about the number of headings in the main article. Kingjeff 21:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- No one was complaining about there being too many headings. The problem was with displaying a bunch of empty tables and matchdates two months before the group stage. I think the fixtures and results should be on the main page so people can easily see where the tables are coming from. - Pal 20:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
- Either way, you don't have to worry about it. Kingjeff 20:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion it would be nice if it could be done the same way as the World Cup article, but I think that is a near impossibility to get all that information, but if people think it can be done then anything is possible. I also think continuation is important though and the article should be like previous years. If this is done like the world cup then 8 pages are required and that is just too much if the matches cannot be covered in the same way as before. So to sum up this muddle of words I just said, I am in favour aslong as each match can be covered like each World Cup match was, otherwise keep it in the same format as other Champions League tournaments. --shanda 21:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
We're talking about 96 games just for the group stage. Thats double from the World Cup group stage. Kingjeff 21:46, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Splitting the article is absolutely unnecessary, see UEFA Champions League 2005-06. Conscious 15:51, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
So we should do it your way just because it was done in the past? That doesn't mean it's better or even just as good as the new group stage results page. Why did you take so long to say something about it? Kingjeff 16:07, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- You're right that we should break with tradition if a better solution is found. However, the current format isn't a better solution. It's illogical to have the match results from every other round on this page but not group stage results. It's much easier to see where the tables came from when the results are right underneath. - Pal 20:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Then how would you make the fixtures and results page better? Kingjeff 21:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- I would suggest moving the basic fixtures on that page into the main article. If someone wants to create detailed match summaries for all of the group stage matches (similar to those found on pages like this) then that would make sense, but right now there's really no reason to have a separate page. - Pal 20:58, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
The other article is so poor, that I think that if it is only going to have the information as the results and the stadium, they can be put in this article. Just create another if you are going to have details about each games, like line-ups and such. --Serte 20:31, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
That was already proposed and I thought it was a good idea. Check User:Curswine/Sandbox. Kingjeff 21:39, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok. Let's make it like the 2006 world cup match results. Kingjeff 21:33, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
- No, let's not go into such detail. The event is not as important as the World Cup; match results and a link to official website would suffice. Conscious 06:40, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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- When I first talked about it, I didn't mean that giant football boxes with the lineups and stuff. Just something like this:
| 24 June 2006 17:00 |
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Germany  |
2–0 |  Sweden |
FIFA WM Stadion München, Munich Attendance: 66,000 Referee: Simon (Brazil) |
| Podolski 4', 12' | (Report) |
--Serte 09:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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- This works for me, and such concise reports could fit well within this article, without making it too long. Conscious 09:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
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I have now implemented the football box template on the results page, just need to update it with match reports when the games are played, possibly using the ones from the official UEFA website when they appear --shanda 13:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC).
- I support moving it all to the main article. Conscious 14:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Check out UEFA Champions League 2006-07 - Group Stage results. All of you are wrong for mot supporting this page. Who ever came up with the crummy traditional approach should be embarresed. Kingjeff 14:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- Now I like the other page, I didn't like it before because there was little information to justify having a new article. I still think that at least the scores should be at this page, just the result. --Serte 15:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- I've removed the group stage draw pots, they are hardly relevant now. Could someone check kick-off times, please (matches in Moscow usually don't start at 20:45)? Conscious 20:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
If you have to have the scores on the main page. Do something simple. The page was too big. Kingjeff 20:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- Then let's work to simplify it. Don't blank the whole section. - Pal 01:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
That wasn't blanking. That's a personal attack on me and I don't lik it. You know exactly what I did and don't accuse me of doing other things. Kingjeff 01:19, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kyiv/Kiev
I was just looking for some clarification on this subject, Динамо Київ is the Ukrainian version of the club's name with the transliterated version being Dynamo Kyiv, however the official English name of the city is Kiev which is used on this site. So I was basically wondering when is right to use which, because by the current 'rule' shouldn't Spartak Moscow be listed as Spartak Moskva? --shanda 16:27, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I've seen it as both Kyiv and Kiev in english. Kingjeff 18:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
UEFA uses Kyiv on their English website, so that's a fairly good guide (and yes, they do day "Spartak Moskva" too). -- Arwel (talk) 19:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
