Talk:Uchronia

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[edit] Merge

  • Oppose - Don't be silly. Uchronia is not a form of alternate history. Driller thriller 13:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per above Pictureuploader 14:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Strongly oppose- not even similar.--Josquius 19:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portmanteau?

Stupid question, but if I replace 'topia/topos' with 'chronia/chronos', then surely it's not a portmanteau of utopia but a word chosen to resemble utopia. I'm sure there's a proper term for it but memory fails me at the moment. Phelyan 12:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Well from the article it appears it was originally formed as a portmanteau by the author who coined it (The title of his book translates to 'Uchronia (A Utopia in history). An apocryphal historical outline of the development of European civilisation, not as it was as such, but as it could have been. (I guess before the invention of blurbs the title had a bit more work to do ;) )

But see what you're saying, in the most literal and superficial sense it might appear that it's simply a case of the word using the same etymological pattern to express a similar but different idea, 'no time' (combining the Greek 'Ou'/no with 'Chronos'/time) as opposed to 'no place' (combining the Greek 'Ou'/no with 'Topos'/place), but I think the context and usage of the words shows that it is definitely a portmanteau, since it not only combines the forms of both elements but also the meanings; fiction concerning a society/culture that exists nowhere, which is specific to the meaning of utopia as coined by Thomas Moore, with that of time.Number36 23:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Translation or not?

Shall I put the translation for the french I mention above in the article? The title of the book that originated the term, Uchronie (L'Utopie dans l'histoire). Esquisse historique apocryphe du développement de la civilisation européenne tel qu'il n'a pas été, tel qu'il aurait pu être. I think a good translation into English would be, Uchronia (A Utopia in history). An apocryphal historical outline of the development of European civilisation, not as it was as such, but as it could have been. It adds a little to have it I think, but I'm unsure if it would add enough as it were, to be worth putting it in, what does anyone else think?Number36 00:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe put an asterisk-redirection. It would be also a good idea to put a separate article dedicated to that bookPictureuploader 08:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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