User talk:UBX/Galactic Empire
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- This image continues to be deleted, but no one wants to talk about why. Is not a logo fair use? How is it possible that we have userboxes that support professional sports teams (with their logo) but we are unable to do it with fictitious organizations? Ifnord 15:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- Because Wikipedia:User page says you should not use fair use images on usepages, and untill it was recently removed in a ongoing edit war so did Wikipedia:Fair use criteria. About the sports teams and what not I'm sorry but we are only human, and it seems unless we find a way to remove them all at once people will just revert and poit to some other userbox with an image in it... --Sherool (talk) 15:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- So then would you also support removing all logos from userboxes such as Amnesty International, the UN, and Pepsi? Ifnord 21:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yes I would. I'm just waiting for the dispute at Wikipedia talk:Fair use to be settled before I remove any more images. Otherwise I'll just end up in a few dozen paralell edit wars again. Pluss I'm sort of hoping people will see the "wisdom" in not using unfree images when it's not nessesary to improve the ensyclopedia, and sort out the templates themselves. --Sherool (talk) 22:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- The dispute at Wikipedia:Fair use seems to have been resolved, with strong consensus for disallowing fair use images on user pages. dbenbenn | talk 20:51, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
- Fair use means that any person can use images for personal reasons, just not commercial. Why anyone on Wikipedia, which purports to be an open and free encycylopedia, which be more restrictive than the law is not sensical, and only represents a more iron-fist approach on behalf of the Wikipedia ruling class. The userpages are for us to express ourself, not to be run roughshod over by busybodies. Doesn't Dbenbenn believe in free speech and fair use? It seems he should, judging by his userpage. Perhaps it's only for those that are in lockstep with him. I don't see any disupte on this at Wikipedia talk:Fair Use, which makes me very suspicious. Also, how dare they remove the symbol of the Galactic Empire, but not the Rebel Alliance? MSTCrow 07:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is about creating free content, not about editos beeing free to do whatever they like with copyrighted material. You are free to express yourself on your userpage (within reason), just don't use unfree images to do so, inserting copyrighred material makes the Wikipedia less free, not more, wich is why we try to keep theyr use to a minimum. That is also why WP:FU and WP:UP says not to use such images on your userpage where they are of no benefit to the project. --Sherool (talk) 14:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- We are free to use such images, provided they are fair use images, as directed under US Law, not according to a clique of users desires. How does it make Wikipedia less free? I see no evidence or logical argument that would back up this vague contention. MSTCrow 00:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Legaly free to use maybe, but Wikipedia disallow a number of legal activities, such as reverting multiple times, posting POV content and so on. Also note that the userbox project itself have made it a priotity task to eliminate unfree images from these templates. Feel free to add your thoughts to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Suggestion for Incorporation into Wikipedia Rules Regarding Removal of Graphics from Userbox Templates if you feel a need to change our rules regarding this. On and don't abuse the protected template!. --Sherool (talk) 01:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- The userbox project has made no priority that I can see about removing images from userboxes, nor can I find any mention of it. The template is not being abused simply because it's protecting something you don't like. And yes, I started that thread. It's also in userbox talk.
- MSTCrow 03:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Suggestion: how about use a free image of the TIE fighter? We got some free images of those at the Wikimedia Commons. Zach (Smack Back) 08:02, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- MSTCrow 03:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- The userbox project has made no priority that I can see about removing images from userboxes, nor can I find any mention of it. The template is not being abused simply because it's protecting something you don't like. And yes, I started that thread. It's also in userbox talk.
- Legaly free to use maybe, but Wikipedia disallow a number of legal activities, such as reverting multiple times, posting POV content and so on. Also note that the userbox project itself have made it a priotity task to eliminate unfree images from these templates. Feel free to add your thoughts to Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Suggestion for Incorporation into Wikipedia Rules Regarding Removal of Graphics from Userbox Templates if you feel a need to change our rules regarding this. On and don't abuse the protected template!. --Sherool (talk) 01:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- We are free to use such images, provided they are fair use images, as directed under US Law, not according to a clique of users desires. How does it make Wikipedia less free? I see no evidence or logical argument that would back up this vague contention. MSTCrow 00:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is about creating free content, not about editos beeing free to do whatever they like with copyrighted material. You are free to express yourself on your userpage (within reason), just don't use unfree images to do so, inserting copyrighred material makes the Wikipedia less free, not more, wich is why we try to keep theyr use to a minimum. That is also why WP:FU and WP:UP says not to use such images on your userpage where they are of no benefit to the project. --Sherool (talk) 14:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- Fair use means that any person can use images for personal reasons, just not commercial. Why anyone on Wikipedia, which purports to be an open and free encycylopedia, which be more restrictive than the law is not sensical, and only represents a more iron-fist approach on behalf of the Wikipedia ruling class. The userpages are for us to express ourself, not to be run roughshod over by busybodies. Doesn't Dbenbenn believe in free speech and fair use? It seems he should, judging by his userpage. Perhaps it's only for those that are in lockstep with him. I don't see any disupte on this at Wikipedia talk:Fair Use, which makes me very suspicious. Also, how dare they remove the symbol of the Galactic Empire, but not the Rebel Alliance? MSTCrow 07:44, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- The dispute at Wikipedia:Fair use seems to have been resolved, with strong consensus for disallowing fair use images on user pages. dbenbenn | talk 20:51, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
- Yes I would. I'm just waiting for the dispute at Wikipedia talk:Fair use to be settled before I remove any more images. Otherwise I'll just end up in a few dozen paralell edit wars again. Pluss I'm sort of hoping people will see the "wisdom" in not using unfree images when it's not nessesary to improve the ensyclopedia, and sort out the templates themselves. --Sherool (talk) 22:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- So then would you also support removing all logos from userboxes such as Amnesty International, the UN, and Pepsi? Ifnord 21:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- Because Wikipedia:User page says you should not use fair use images on usepages, and untill it was recently removed in a ongoing edit war so did Wikipedia:Fair use criteria. About the sports teams and what not I'm sorry but we are only human, and it seems unless we find a way to remove them all at once people will just revert and poit to some other userbox with an image in it... --Sherool (talk) 15:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Request for Protection
Due to violations of Wikipedia policy (revert wars, refusal to utilize talk, ignoring user-level protection), this template has been added to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_protection.
- MSTCrow 18:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- Adding the images is what is violating policy, and userbox project guidelines. see Wikipedia:WikiProject Userboxes#Current tasks. --Sherool (talk) 19:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Free licensed image alternatives.
I inserted a TIE fighter in the template. If it's not to your liking here are some alternative empire related images, all are free licensed (mostly photos of model sets/toys):
Image:Darth-Vader etal.jpg Image:Star Wars Imperial Shuttle.jpg Image:Star Wars Tie-Fighter-Vaders.jpg Image:Star Wars Star Destroyer.jpg Image:Star Wars Tie-Interceptor.jpg Image:Star Wars Tie-Fighter.jpg
Any of these would be fine with regards to the image use guidelines, unlike the logo. --Sherool (talk) 19:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I like the last one best. Why are you only messing with us though, and not the Rebel icon?
- MSTCrow 20:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- I messed with the Rebel icon before I came to you guys, since you had the edit war. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AUser_Rebel_Alliance&diff=33574594&oldid=33510492. Actually, everyone is getting touched equally. Some I changed with little to no problems, others I had to wait around a bit and see what people think. Zach (Smack Back) 20:10, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
- MSTCrow 20:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
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- (via edit conflict) Likely because he's been stuck here, trying to deal with the silly revert war. (I personally think the third and fourth images, Vader's fighter, and the Star Destroyer, show up much better - the plain tie fighter is much too dark. I don't use the box, though, and have no objection to anything with an acceptable license.) —Cryptic (talk) 20:11, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Which Image?
If we can't have the Empire's logo, I (personally) would like the Star Destroyer image to be in the userbox.- JustPhil 20:27, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Can I politely suggest we have a straight up vote on this, just so the image isn't getting changed every few days? Everyone votes on an image, than we have a run-off with the top two favorites. Palm_Dogg 04:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
All right then. I vote for the Star Destroyer.- JustPhil 14:06, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm for Image:Star Wars Tie-Fighter-Vaders.jpg. Palm_Dogg 19:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
- Well, you win (Tie goes to creator). Palm_Dogg 04:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
