Talk:U.S. cities with teams from four major sports
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[edit] NFL Toronto article cited and status of Foxborough
Those who bring up the title of this page in reference to Toronto present valid points. I agree with them. However, regardless of whether or not I did, the link expressing support for the NFL going to Toronto goes to an article appearing in the Hoosier Gazette, a satirical news site. Essentially, it is The Onion but specifically geared towards Indiana and not staffed by snarky university hipsters. Would you cite The Onion for an article on here? I think not (well, unless it were actually about The Onion).
Also, for those who doubt the status of Foxborough, it is an actual town. Unlike other regions, here in New England (well, at least in Southern New England), all land is incorporated. Foxborough has its own charter, government, police force, etc. Sure, its population may only be around 16,000, and confusingly, the Census Bureau also lists a CDP called Foxborough, but this CDP is entirely within the town limits and is part of the town. Therefore, it is a suburb. In fact, some may consider it a suburb of both Boston and Providence. EmanBos 09:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)EmanBos
[edit] State size information
Washington State is not the most populous state without all four major league teams within a metro area with its territory (hope that's not too confusing), North Carolina is. There is no MLB team in Charlotte (yet), Raleigh/Durham, Greensboro/Winston-Salem or Hampton Roads, Va (NE corner of state is in metro area). Atlanta and Washington are closest MLB teams. Made change accordingly.--Bjeversole 10:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New York NHL teams
Forgive me, but isn't New York's NHL teams known as the Rangers and the Islanders. Possibly saying NY has 3 NHL franchises within it's "fan range" might be more reasonable Tawker 07:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'm not familiar with the Devils, but they probably play in Newark. Newark is so close to New York that you can see the skyline, and is an easy, quick drive. Newark's airport is considered by most travel websites and airlines to be a New York airport, because it's so close.
[edit] Definition of four major sports
I'm a little hesitant to declare what the four major sports are, but I suppose there's little controversy. The page's name, though, is a bit misleading -- this is a very US-centric page. I'm fine with US-centric pages but I think they need to be clearly labeled. Any objections to moving to U.S. cities with teams from four major sports? Jwrosenzweig 18:50, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Sure, that's fine. i agree about the name change. as for what the four major sports, this is based on attendance figures and revenue. Kingturtle 19:00, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- That sounds most reasonable. Thanks. :-) Have a great day, Jwrosenzweig 19:00, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
[edit] New York controversy
The information on New York City is extremely misleading. Of the 9 purported New York City teams, only 4 actually play in the city, while 2 are New Jersey teams that just call themselves 'New York', and 3 are just teams that happen to play in neighboring areas, without identifying with the city in any way.--Pharos 20:43, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- It is not misleading at all. The Meadowlands are a stone's throw from Manhattan. The Meadowlands is closer to Manhattan than Auburn Hills is to downtown Detroit. Kingturtle 02:27, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- It's bloody well confusing, is what it is. How exactly can the "New Jersey" Devils, which play in an arena located in New Jersey, which is not even in the same *state* as New York City, be considered a New York team? The Giants and the Jets choose to use New York in their name even though they don't even play in New York, so it seems to me their inclusion should be debatable, but the teams that don't even claim to be from New York should be right out. The article needs to at least explain the rationale.
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- Other aspects of the New York City article also refer to the metropolitan area rather than just the five boroughs, so I think the "nine teams" should stay. I'll reword the passage, though, to take account of the point. I agree with Pharos that the previous wording was incorrect. JamesMLane 02:38, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Newark as a city is practically connected to New York. The only reason there is a controversy is because it is in a separate state. Most "New Jersey" teams (as well as the entire city of Newark) are closer to New York than many other teams are to their own cities. The Rangers play in Arlington, and are names after Texas, not Dallas, but are included in this list because they draw from the city of Dallas. Teams are placed close to large populations so they can make money -- If the Devils wanted to be a "New Jersey Only" team they would play in Trenton or Atlantic City. They play in Newark to draw on the city of New York, so they should be included as a NY Team. Likewise, the Giants, Jets, and Islanders play outside of the actual city because of real estate and size issues (Where, exactly, would you put a football stadium in New York? The suburbs to the West, while still in the state, are of a considerably higher value than those in NJ). Those teams are placed in NJ, but they are close enough to still draw crowds from New York.
[edit] remove DC?
It is very likely that Washington, D.C. will need to be moved, as recent developments have made that relocation appear somewhat dubious.
- It was simply a little political hardball, and the final deals have all been signed as of 29 Dec 2004. I'm going to remove the note at the bottom of page as well. Oknazevad 09:17, 31 Dec 2004 {UTC}
No one put that the Redskins won their last championship in 1992 (the Super Bowl) after the 1991 season.
[edit] Dallas designation
- The Dallas designation is misleading. The Rangers have never played in Dallas (they play in nearby Arlington), the Cowboys are moving to Arlington and FC Dallas (Formerly Dallas Burn) now play in Frisco. This should be changed to link to the Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex article.--129.118.249.239 12:23, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] New York Baseball teams
The Yankees play in The Bronx, the Mets in Queens. Both are boroughs of New York City, and therefore fully within the city's political borders. Therefore neither team should be italicized for being outside the political boundries of the city.--oknazevad 04:49, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bay Area issues
Why are all the non-San Francisco teams in the Bay Area marked as playing in a suburb? San Jose is the largest of the three Bay Area cities, and all of the Oakland teams play within the city's limits. Oakland and San Jose aren't suburbs of San Francisco, either. NeoChaosX 00:57, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Good points. While some would argue that San Francisco is the historical center of the region, as you say San Jose has surpased it in population, and Oakland is no suburb. Makes me wonder if the area even belongs on the page, as it refers to specific cities, and The Bay area is a place with three hub cities aranged in a roughly trangular shape.--oknazevad 22:11, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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- While the title says 'cities', this article actually specifies metropolitan areas, of which the Bay Area counts as one. (My guess is it uses "cities" since that would make the title shorter.) --NeoChaosX 00:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Laccrosse?
Shouldn't lacrosse and soccer be on this list? ColumbusCrew29
No
[edit] Toronto inclusion
Should this page be retitled "North American Cities ..." on account of the fact that the NBA, NHL and MLB all have teams from Canada and that Toronto is the 2nd largest North American city without a team in four major sports after Los Angeles?
- So you're suggesting we retitle the article from "U.S. cities with teams from four major sports" to "North American cities with teams from four major sports" when actually there are no cities outside the U.S. with teams from four major sports? That makes no sense. StarryEyes 23:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually you make an excellent point. The title should reflect the content. My point was that Toronto is one of the top five markets in North America and has teams in 3 major sports. The NFL has been on and off in their interest of expanding to Toronto as well. But I see your point. Thanks for your clarification.
- Now that I think about it, shouldn't Toronto be included in this list as well? They DO have teams that play all four sports, and the article isn't about the team that play in the leagues, it's about the teams that play the sports. Hence, Toronto - with the Maple Leafs, the Blue Jays, the Raptors and the Argonauts - should be included.
- It's 4 major leagues, not sports, the title is still a bit misleading. The Patriots play in Foxboro , it is barely outside of boston proper, I think that should be changed. Foxboro is so small that it is almost just a neighborhood rather than a suburb. False Prophet 02:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
- Toronto should be included. The CFL is simply the major league football league in Canada. It is unfair to exclude Toronto just because it has a CFL team and not an NFL team. (Pwnage8 13:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Reorganizing talk page
Hey, been looking at this talk page, and it was a complete mess. I've placed in proper headers for the different discussions that have been going on in this talk page, to organize them and make them easier to find; hope nobody minds this. --NeoChaosX 00:45, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Kansas City
The following should be edited:
Los Angeles, Chicago, the San Francisco Bay Area, Cleveland and Minneapolis-St. Paul are the only metropolitan areas that hosted teams in all four major sports leagues, only to later drop out of the four-sport club.
The city of Kansas City, Missouri also was a four-sport club from 1974 to 1976.
Kansas City Chiefs (NFL): 1963-Present Kansas City Royals (MLB): 1969-Present Kansas City Kings (NBA): 1972-1985 Kansas City Scouts (NHL): 1974-1976
[edit] Tampa/Orlando?
I was curious what people thought of Tampa and Orlando. Tampa has the Buccaneers (NFL), Devil Rays (MLB), and Lightning (NHL), and Orlando has the Magic (NBA). The distance between the two is not that great, and I know for example (though this is pure anecdotal evidence) my friend from Tampa (actually Sarasota) is an Orlando Magic fan, so the area has a collective set of sports fans. Was just curious if people thought this was too much of a stretch? Doregasm 03:02, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yes —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.4.186.6 (talk) 10:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC).
- More fully, they're distinct media markets (the real criteria as far as the leagues are concerned), but the NBA does know that they get merchandise and other support sales from the Tampa area. It helps make up for the fact that Orlando has a smaller regualr population on which to draw.oknazevad 18:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Asterisks
The asterisks on the chart are, frankly, getting ridiculous. Wikitext includes daggers and other distinctive marks. We don't need a string of 8 or 9 asterisks to establish notes. I'll rework for cleanliness. oknazevad 18:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
