Talk:Uí Néill

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[edit] Year of Niall's Death

"a semi-historical High King of Ireland who died about 405." Most historians now tend to place Niall's death much further into the fifth centuary, so I'm replaceing 405 with c.450, the current educated guess. Fergananim

[edit] Family Tree redo

I'm recreating the Ui Neill family tree with Template:Familytree. Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn Image:Icons-flag-scotland.png 02:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

 
Tuathal Teachtmhar
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Son
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Conn Cétchathach
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Art mac Cuinn
 
Son
 
Son
 
Son
 
Son
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Cormac mac Airt
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Cairbre Lifechair
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Fiacha Sraibhtine
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Muiredach Tirech
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Eochaid Mugmedon
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Brion
 
Fiachrae
 
Ailill
 
Niall Noigíallach
 
Fergus
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Conall Gulban
 
Endae
 
Eogan
 
Cairbre
 
Lóegaire
 
Maine
 
Conall Cremthainne
 
Fiachu

That's nice work! Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsavory part

Yeah, I added that part... I'd read about it in books for years. I'm still trying to hunt down an exact set of references. Makes me wonder how some traditions develop and stick... - Gilgamesh 23:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It's from Giraldus Cambrensis, The Topography of Ireland Chapter XXV. How reliable Giraldus is considered I don't know. --Nicknack009 00:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Francis John Byrne (Irish Kings and High-Kings, p. 18) says "Obviously, therefore, he [Gerald] is not to be trusted implicitly. It is significant that he does not claim to have witnessed this right, but places it in a remote corner of the country where no conquistador had yet penetrated. Nevertheless, it is unlikely that Giraldus could have invented the whole story, for we find horse sacrifice associated with kingship rituals among many of the Indo-European peoples. The asvamedha of ancient India and the eating of horse-flesh by king and people in Norway, to which even the Christian Hákon the Good had to submit, are obvious parallels. On the other hand, Adomnán, himself a member of the Tír Connaill dynasty, regarded the eating of mare's flesh with particular abhorrence five centuries before Giraldus." And so on. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:06, 3 March 2007 (UTC)