Talk:Turner Prize
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[edit] Crap
I seem to remember from last year (2001) that an unknown commenter had written "this is crap" in the dust in the installation work 'Storeroom'(which consisted of a dusty room), and that later viewers of the work had thought that this comment was actually part of the artwork itself and intended by the artist. However, I haven't been able to confirm this even the BBC state that it was part of the original work. Was this just a scurrilous rumour? Mintguy 14:00 Dec 9, 2002 (UTC)
- That's the Mike Nelson one, right? I seem to remember there were various bits of graffiti in there (part of the art, you understand), so it's very possible that "this is crap" was intended by the artist. I don't know for sure though. --Camembert
[edit] 1988 shortlist
Source for the '88 shortlist is [1] - for some reason that list omits Kalinovska and McGonagle from the '85 and '87 shortlists respectively, but I'm pretty sure they really were nominated as they're on other lists I've seen. --Camembert
[edit] Copy
Wasn't the winning entry one year quite recently a painting of a spaceship, which turned out to be a flagrant copy of a cover of a 1970s Sci Fi novel? The Times located the original artist, who was somewhat miffed that no-one had asked his permission. They also contacted some of the leading copyright lawyers in London, who said it was an open and shut case: the original artist would be able to recover the prize money. By contrast, the organisers, while admitting that they hadn't known of the original, tried to pretend the entry wasn't a copy. Cutting through the jargon and waffle, their reasoning was that it was on a different scale (larger than a novel cover) and in slightly different colours, as if that made a difference. So when a painting was finally in the Turner Prize it turned out to be a copy. I can't remember which year exactly it was, and it might not have been the winning entry. Can anyone help? JRJW (January 2006)
[edit] Tom Hendricks
I have reverted the following material about Tom Hendricks on the basis that it is a combination of original research, non-notable, self-promotion, not referenced properly (no working links). I have left a note on the user page previously, and have now left one again.
Please discuss on this material before putting it back in the article.
- On January 8, 2002 at 1:30-1:40 pm, artist Tom Hendricks challenged the Turner Prize, and all abuses of modern art by The End of Modern Art Conceptual Art Event of 1/08/02. It created a conceptual art event that attacked the abuses of conceptual art, suggested a possible end of modern art, and suggested new directions for art. As Hendricks tells it, he was walking home from a fast food taco restaurant on Lemmon Avenue in Dallas Texas when it dawned on him how to protest the abuses of modern art. Specifically he would attack Martin Creed who won the annual Turner Prize that goes to the best art work from a British artist younger than 50. The prize was a check for $31,500 handed to Creed by pop star Madonna. Hendricks, "I worked hard to have some scope to my art: portraits, landscapes, still lifes, abstracts, and just about everything in between." In contrast Creed got the check for his exhibit of flashing light bulbs in an empty room. Previous works included a scrunched-up piece of paper and a ball of clay stuck to a wall. Hendricks, in his protests, suggests that modern art at its worst is 'consistently depressing, disjointed, lacking in technical skills, lacking in the ability to communicate, and seldom has scope.' He said in the manifesto about the event, " I would bring modern art to its end. I would suggest the ultimate, the ultimate in baffling minimalism. I would get the plastic check from Madonna. Where Creed had flashing lights in an empty room, I would imagine a gallery in my mind that would have no lights on at all! And that moment marked the end of modern art." Publishing history of The End Of Modern Art manifesto: first printed version was in the zine Musea #108, March 2002. It was also posted as 'The Last Minute of Modern Art' on artellawordsandart.com.Musea 02:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Tyrenius 03:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Tom Hendricks here. Is this the proper forum to respond? This is new, and I want to correct mistakes.
- The conceptual art event happened and it was reported in Musea, my zine, the Musea website, the Underground literary Alliance website, and the Artella Website.
The initial url is http://musea.us/108email.html I have been leading an art revolution in print since 1992 in my monthly zine Musea.
- Tyrenius, You were correct. I was not aware of this talk page and already resubmited a very
pared down version of one or two sentences for theTurner prize entry. Is this new version acceptable? I also apologize for not signing my above entry Musea 02:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Musea, I have trimmed the entry again. What's the best URL to use as a reference. Also I can't see what actually happened in this event, or was it the concept of a conceptual event. Was it staged in Dallas? Sign your entry by putting 4 tildes ~ after your name. There's a lot of things to find out about in Wiki, that's for sure! Are you aware of the article on the Underground Literary Alliance? There's an art equivalent in the UK with the Stuckism movement. Tyrenius 08:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Tyrenius, I note that there is a brief couple sentence reference to the art event on the Turner Prize Page now. As to your questions. The best URL to use is to http://musea.us/108email.html. It is the first web version of the event. It is at the top after the intro. The first print version was in the March issue of my zine, Musea #108, in a collection of e-mail club messages. The event was a solo realization of mine on a walk home in Dallas from a taco restaurant. Creed won the Turner prize for lights going on and off in a room. I would take it further. In my mind a light would come on and then off. The light coming on was the idea how to oppose modern art abuses, and the light off, the light of Modern Art, was doing it. It was both the concept of the conceptual art event, and the event itself. It was very zen-like in being nothing and everything at once. It was not staged as much as being a moment's realization after decades opposing many aspects of modern art.
Yes I know about the ULA and am a member - besides being an artist, I am also a musician and writer. Didn't know about Stuckism. Will check it out. Thanks for your interest. Hope this helps. T Hendricks Musea 03:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Deletion of Hendricks protest
Hi Musea, I have thought about this carefully and my view is that this protest has not achieved enough notability to warrant inclusion. This is not a comment on its validity or worth as a concept, simply that there are certain wiki guidelines, in this case WP:Verifiability and possibly also Wikipedia:No original research. Basically this means that it is not usually considered a sufficient criterion for inclusion if you do something and post it on the web or put it in your own magazine. The best place for the protest is in the Tom Hendricks article where it is already recorded. Of course, you are free to disagree with my view and I would be pleased to continue the discussion if you wish. The other criticisms have all received national media coverage. Tyrenius 04:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Tyr, That's reasonable. I will add 3 points. 1. It was done 4 years ago so it has that history. 2. It was featured on the ULA website http://literaryrevolution.com 3. It was featured in e-artella. Here is a letter from them. It's Marney Makridakis from Artella. A while back, I contacted you after I had found MUSEA on a trip to Dallas, because I was interesting in publishing "The Last Minute of Modern Art" in e-Artella (the electronic counterpart of a print magazine, Artella), along with some of your art. You graciously gave your permission and said you were looking forward to seeing it. Well, the issue including your work is finally here, and I wanted to make sure that you saw the issue. The download info: To download it, go to http://www.artellawordsandart.com/eArtella_issue_e7.html. The password you will need is: (Tyr, I've removed the password) As you will see, the issue is divided into two sections. If you download them both to your computer, you can use the Table of Contents to click back and forth between both sections. If you encounter any difficulties, you can email Bobby at artella@cox.net -- she will help! This issue will have a readership of about 4,000 - so I'm hoping that it will lead to some good and new exposure for you. Again, thank you for allowing me to reprint your article. I continue to be a fan of your message and what you are doing! ~Marney Marney K.Makridakis Artella Founder/Editor www.ArtellaWordsAndArt.com Overall with my background as protesting all abuses in all arts since 1992 in Musea, and being an artist of over 2600 art works in every style, its fair comment. Best wishes, Tom Hendricks Musea 17:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- I appreciate there has been some coverage, but the other demonstrations have had national TV/press mentions. Tyrenius 11:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
More points. I think my protest is the only non British one. That should be considered. The mainstream press in the US does not cover art revolution. The indie press does and has covered it. Art periodicals of modern art in the US, such as Art in America are heavily slanted to NYC coverage and are reluctant to carry protests like this that is against all they stand for. Would you cover protests from Scotland or India? I doubt they would have national coverage. It, unlike the other protests, is part of a larger 'arts' revolution that also includes, music, writing, and much much more. Perhaps the protest would better fit the Martin Creed entry. This protest challenges all the abuses of modern art and is wider in scope than just the British Turner Prize. Musea 03:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
- There was a protest by the Australian Stuckism group in 2000: "Regan Tamanui ... staged the Real Turner Prize Show ... concurrent with three shows with the same title in England (London, Falmouth and Dartington), and one in Germany, in protest against the Tate Gallery's Turner Prize." You will note these have not been included in the Turner Prize article. Regardless of the artistic or cultural worth of your event, it has not had significant coverage. It is not recommended that editors write about themselves. See Vanity. It can easily become self-promotion and lack objectivity. I suggest you write articles about other people and events. Tyrenius 11:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] K Foundation
If you know of any free images (or even any fair use images I suppose) which could help illustrate the article K Foundation art award, please add them or let me know on my talk page. It would be very much appreciated as the article is a bit spartan at the moment. --kingboyk 21:24, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
