Talk:Tulkarm

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The issue of this being a possible copyvio has now been raised on [1]. - Mustafaa 06:39, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] section on name

What exactly does "the name was later literalised into Tul Karm" mean? Is anyone prepared to swear to it that "literalise" is really a word? I don't quite understand what it is meant to convey. Palmiro | Talk 18:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

My bloody fault - I used the word given in the source and I didn't look in a dictionary. I thought I understood what they were trying to say (changed from Tur to Tul for literary purposes; i.e. poetic alteration) - but I should have been more careful - I apologize. Ramallite ^(talk) 06:06, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to be even vague. Unfortunately we don't seem to have any authoritative source on the history of the name. --Zero 00:45, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I found the following in the Encyclopedia of Islam (which is a professional encyclopedia written by scholars):

Tulkarm is not mentioned by the classical Islamic geographers and travellers, and the first solid mention of it comes from early Mamluk times, when at some time before 663/1264-5 Sultan Baybars divided it equally as ikta`s between two of his amirs, Badr al-Din Basari al-Sharnsi al-Salihi and Badr al-Din Baylik al-Khaznadari. In records from this time and later, the name appears at [typo for "as"?] Tulkarm, possibly from an Aramaic predecessor Tur Karma. From the 10th/16th to the 19th centuries, the Ottoman tapu defteris mention it as a village in the nahiya of Kakun in the liwa of Nabulus. In 995/1548-9, it had 190 households plus three bachelors, but at the end of this century, the number of households had fallen to 156 whilst the numbers of bachelors had increased to 20. There are no references to any mosques or imams at this stage of its history. Of Tulkarm's taxes, one-third was the ruler's khass, and part of the rest went to the upkeep of madrasas outside the town and to the complex of al-zahir Baybars in Cairo. The sources are silent about the town from the 11th/17th to the 19th centuries, except for a reference to a learned Hanbali scholar, Mari b. Yusuf al-Karmi (d. 1033/1623-4) who lived there but who had been born in Jerusalem; a number of his writings survive in manuscript.

Where two dates are given, like "10th/16th", this refers to the Islamic and Western calendars. This source also gives some more recent history that can be used in our article. It cites original sources mostly in Arabic. Note that the "Tur Karma" possible origin is already mentioned in our article, though Zeq maliciously deleted the web source for it. --Zero 01:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flag and Seal

Why does it display images of the flag and seal of the declared State of Palestine? Most articles on cities that have images of their flag and seal show it of the city, not the nation in which they reside. PiMaster3 19:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)