Talk:Tsimshian

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This page needs a lot of work. Many of the claims made in the last section are unsubstaniated, unclear, and irrelevant. It would be great if someone familiar with the details of the Tsimshian culture could help to make this more specific and accurate or rewrite the whole section. Dan Lesh 07:08, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Notes for later on dialects 2 Proto-Tsimshian 3 Re separate [[Tsimshian language] article 4 Iona

[edit] Notes for later on dialects

Came across Gitgaat Community Language page, which is about the small community of Hartley Bay, British Columbia, which was in the news lately re the Queen of the North sinking. Quoted from that webpage for later writers of this page:

The Gitga’at originally spoke Sguuks or Sguumxs (Southern Tsimshian), but adopted the more widely spoken Sm’algyax (Coast Tsimshian) during their stay with missionary William Duncan in Metlakatla. Sm’algyax literally means ‘the Real Language’ or ‘Real Talk’. The Sm’algyax name for Hartley Bay is Txalgiu. Sm’algyax was historically an oral language. Christian missionaries were the first to write the language when they completed translations of the Bible. English is presently the predominant language of the Gitga’at community in Hartley Bay, although many elders remain fluent in Sm’algyax and the village school continues traditional language programs.Skookum1 01:45, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Proto-Tsimshian

Hello, could somebody possibly add something on Proto-Tsimshian, regular phonological and morphological correspondences between the individual Tsimshian languages and the reconstructed proto-language itself? Thank you very much in advance! :-) --Pet'usek [petr dot hrubis at gmail dot com] 23:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

That should have to be a different article; if it's not created it could be in Tsimshian language or Sm’algyax (some BC languages use the English form, others such as St'at'imcets and Kwak'wala use the native form); and proto-Tsimshian might qualify as its own article; according to standards emergent in the WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, this article should be ethnographic/cutlural and government and language and separate community/reserve articles should be made separately, and belong to different categories.Skookum1 21:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re separate [[Tsimshian language] article

Hi; I just found Coast Tsimshian which as this article notes is an obsolete terminology; it's also about the language, i.e. it's a language article and so needs to be differently titled anyway. Please see Talk:Coast Tsimshian for more on this; basically Tsimshian language currently redirects here but it should be a separate language article. I'm posting this notice and will wait a week or so for input/discussion before going ahead and converting the Tsimshian language redirect into a language article, which will have redirects from Sm'algyax etc.; Coast Tsimshian probably would do best as a dab page because of people still looking for either the language or the people under that name. And can someone here name for me any tribal councils in addition to band governments, as the Tsimshian Tribal Council no longer exists (but should have an article as a historical entity anyway).Skookum1 22:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Iona

Unless I'm somehow reading it wrong, this globe&mail article claims Iona Campagnolo has a native Tsimsean name, "Person Who Sits High." She isn't Tsimshian is she? Anyone have any idea where this came from? - TheMightyQuill 18:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[1] Oh, forget it, it's honourary Though according to the encyclopedia, person who sits high is her haida name, not tsimshian. - TheMightyQuill 18:25, 2 April 2007 (UTC)