Talk:Trump Tower (New York)

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The article was a stub and I expanded it. I kept as much of what was there before, with exceptions. It is in progress and I will add the sources and possibly make a structural diagram. I will also format the bar on the right to one of the Wiki standards, probably form the Citigroup building.

Also: Although Trump Tower is actually 58 stories tall, most reference sources list the building as having 68 stories. The elevator even has a button for the 68th floor, and it will actually take you to a real floor where the apartment numbers start with 68. Building management had the top floors designated 66-68 on the elevator. Many Manhattan buildings are taller than Trump Tower, an example being the General Motors building. It is 705 feet high (compared to Trump Tower at 664 feet high). Yet the General Motors building only has 50 stories. Prices of condos rise in proportion to height, and Donald Trump may have been well aware of that.

This is important to note, since from what I have been able to find, Trump was the first person to do this in New York (and this has become the stahdard know). But the GM Building comparison is bad because it is an office building and of steel construction. This means that it has a higher average floor high, for structure and ductwork. I will add comparable buildings and find a citing where Trump decided to add the extra floors ( I think Art of the Deal has a qoute).

Any help would be appreciated.

I think you are somewhat confused. But so am I. The construction of a building has nothing whatever to do with Trump's marketing ploy of referring to his buildings as having more floors than they actually do. If I recall correctly, while the markeing of Trump Tower was going on, Trump explained that his claim of 68 stories (when there are only 58 or so) was based on his further claim that each floor on Trump Tower was "taller than the average floor in a skyscraper in New York." I am not sure what this means, because there are many apartment towers in the city whose ceiling heights are certainly taller than those in Trump Tower. They do not make a fictitious claim of having more floors than they actually do. I am unaware that the floors in Trump Tower have unusual ceiling heights to begin with. SO---does anyone know what the apartment ceiling heights are in TT? Second--does anyone have any further explanation of Trump's claim that the bui;lding has more floors than it in fact has? This entire issue is so ridiculous, as is much of Trump's overblown rhetotic and salesmanship; it is mitigated, in part, for me, by my admiration for TT's architectural style (the exterior, that is; the less said about the interior, the better). 66.108.4.183 04:46, 25 August 2006 (UTC) Allen Roth

I am not confused. The city and any official notations of the building has it listed as having 58 stories. A "story" is a legal definition, and TT only has 58 of those. The owner does not decide how many it actually has, the building code does.

In Art of the Deal, Trump claims the extra 10 stories because the atrium, which is 5 stories high and each story double the height of the upper stories, counts as ten (instead of five). It is pure marketing ( and you can find the cited article on the web and read it). Anyone can say whatever they want about the actual number of floors a building has. If you cannot stand on it, it does not exist. As long as we stick to official sources, definitions, there will be no confusion.

By the way, since TT is a mixed use building with elevators for each use, it is hard to actually see the spot where the floors "overlap". Further, a typical residential floor in TT has a lower ceiling height ( don't know about floor-ro-floor height) than other "lexury" buildings on Manhattan. I also like the design of TT too, even if it is much maligned.Gary Joseph 11:09, 25 August 2006 (UTC)