Talk:Trubetskoy

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[edit] Old talk

A note for history: two first passages were written by me in the hope of starting some good article on the lines of Galitzine, Vorotynsky, and the like articles I contributed in the past. But then the page was attacked by Polish nationalists who turned it into a mess, starting a bunch of unnecessary stubs with Polish names. They also extensively used the Trubetskoy genealogy which I had compiled and posted at genealogy.euweb.cz. As their actions were definitely unfriendly, I had to leave the Trubetskoy project in disgust. That's how the page came to degenerate into its current wretched state. --Ghirlandajo 22:20, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Trubetsky/Trubchevsky/Troubetzkoy/Trubecki ?

Shouldn't the members of this family use one name? Or is there some problem with redirects and they are in fact two or three families I am confusing? And yes, I agree that Trubecki is definetly the polonization which should not be used here. Also, I wonder if they really are Polish nobility. I am sorting this category and some of it's members have really more connection with Russia then Poland - see Wikipedia_talk:Polish_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Timespan_for_Category:Polish_nobility.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 00:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I hoped to make good the article on this family, but was stymied by some nationalist clowns, who maintained that the Trubetskoys have been Belarusian or Polish rather than Russian and so had to give up in disgust. Of course the Trubetskoys were too polonophobic to be classified as Polish nobility. As for the nomenclature, their original name was Trubchevsky, derived from the town Trubchevsk which was their original demesne. Shortly after the Time of Troubles, the family went extinct in Russia, while its last scion, an ardent supporter of Wladyslaw, moved to Poland, converted to Catholicism, while his name Trubchevsky was polonized as Trubecki. Several decades later his grandson returned to Russia, where his Polish surname Trubecki was depolonized as Trubetskoy (Gallic spelling: Troubetzkoy). Hence, we should use Trubchevsky for the period until 1625, Trubecki for the next few decades, and Trubetskoy for the later period. Cheers, Ghirla | talk 17:42, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think that either Trubchevsky or Trubetskoy should be used consistently, with other name variants, including Trubecki, used in parenthesis after the main name (plus possibly in some other articles depending on historical/national contexts). There is also a matter if this family should be listed in Category:Polish noble families, and whether any of its memebers should be listed in Category:Polish nobility.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Genealogy of The Troubetzkoy's

Could some one give a bibliographic reference for this genealogy? In the book of reference for this family is Les Princes Troubezkoy, par S.N. Plaoutine, 1949, revised by Prince Serge G. Troubetzkoy in 1970 and published in 1976 in Labelle, Canada, there is no mention of a descendance for Grigory Petrovitch Troubetzkoy (1802–1874). --87.89.69.135 10:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)