Talk:Trigger (firearms)
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[edit] Creation
I rewrote the page and turned all of the separate mechanism pages into redirect pages. Somebody had to do it. In keeping with Wikipedia style, arguments about the values of each section should be limited to the talk page. The main article should be edited only for accuracy and content, not to 'put your 2 cents worth' in. Please keep it clean and don't let this article get bogged down with opinions, merits of the systems, etc. I've seen other articles get this way.--Asams10 02:05, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Room for improvement
There is a need for good links in this article as well as a history section. Maybe mention, for instance, that Tomischka patented the first double action only pistol in 1911.--Asams10 02:05, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merger
- NO MERGER - several of the articles are long and should have it's own article. Definitely don't merge everything into trigger. Not enough room for all the different types of actions. SirIsaacBrock 22:47, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
- I DISAGREE... It's ALREADY been merged, you just won't accept it!. You're the only person who has disagreed. It seems from reading the article that this covers the subject matter much better than the separate articles did. Don't know why you've set out on this quest to have separate confusing articles covering the same subject rather than a clear article explaining the whole concept. In fact, from the Wikipedia merging page, read this statement:
- "There are two or more pages on related subjects that have a large overlap. Wikipedia is not a dictionary; there doesn't need to be a separate entry for every concept in the universe. For example, "Flammable" and "Non-flammable" can both be explained in an article on Flammability."
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- "If a short article requires the background material or context from a broader article in order for readers to understand it."
- Now, I ain't no rocket scientist, but it seems that these separate articles are inter-related, have cross-over, discuss different ways of accomplishing the same task, and are covered thoroughly and succinctly in this new article.
- Just because an article is long, doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be part of another article. And which article, specificially, do you want to keep? Single Action and Single Action/Double Action are contradictory, wrong, and contain superfolous information. All appropriate information is already rewritten into this article. The two other articles are short and don't explain the concept without the context of the other articles. Also, none thoroughly cross-reference each other. It's jumbled and you didn't fix it, I did.
- Why don't YOU point out what needs to go into this article and I'll do the work of adding it or we'll discuss whether or not it merits addition to this article.--Asams10 23:50, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] SA, DA, & DA/SA
After reading this article, I find myself rather confused about the single-action/double-action division, especially regarding the "traditional double action" mentioned. In the SA section, it mentions that most semi-autos use the recoil to bring the hammer back. How is this different from the DA/SA mentioned subsequently? Is this article redundancy repeating itself, or just me failing to understand it? The article seems to imply that the entire subject is rather confusing. Perhaps someone more conversant could make a chart or table, &/or edit the section for clarity? --mordicai. 18:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'll try to be helpful and not patronizing. You seem to be confusing the operation of the trigger with the operation of the slide. Ignore the portion which explains what the slide does when the gun fires and understand how the trigger operates separately. The section is correct from a technical point of view, but these things are a bit difficult to explain.--Asams10 21:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Don't sweat it; I'm not the sort to ask for answers & then be defensive about it when I get clued in. I'm glad to know that the article is correct, firstly, & I do understand your explanation. Thanks for the prompt response. --mordicai. 02:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merits
are you sure about DAO actions being "popular" with police departments? perhaps in the past when revelovers were the norm, but i rarely hear of anything other than sigs (in DA/SA), glocks (pre-set), and the occasional 1911 (SA). these are just my observations, but what do you think? -aaron 141.210.9.36 14:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. In addition to the those moving FROM revolvers, DAO's offer a heavier trigger pull which prevents lawsuits. Many of those Glocks have a New York Trigger. I don't mean to say that there are more DAO's out there than regular sigs, just that they are a common choice.--Asams10 17:43, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
- i understand the value of the DAO trigger but the wording of the passage makes it sound like they are the most popular. at least i think it does. -aaron 68.61.184.98 03:22, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] unreferenced
I tagged the article as unreferenced because it completely lacks in any reliable sources. Kncyu38 08:54, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
