Talk:Transwoman

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• Archive 1: Nov 18, 2004 – Dec 21, 2005

Contents 1 assume 2 Sex assignment 3 Sexual orientation survey 4 diagram needed 5 babies 6 question

[edit] assume

• AlexR: In English, when you "assume" (or "take on" or "adopt") a (new) gender identity, it means that you start identifying as that gender, i.e. you consider yourself a member of this gender, whatever this means for you, e.g. pronouns, name, expression, clothing, whatever. What part of the word assume do you find confusing? For example, I became a trans girl the moment I realized and accepted the fact that I was actually female. I took on a female gender identity from that point on. Can you suggest a better wording if you don't like the word "assume"? How would you say this in German?--Sonjaaa 07:03, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Acknowledge? Ambi 07:16, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Still does not make sense, because the gender identity is what one already has, and the reason why one assumes or adopts or whatever a female gender role. After all, the whole reason one starts the whole trouble in the first place is that the gender identity was not quite (fe)male in the first place. Now, I admitt that becoming aware of precisely what kind ones own gender identy is, or how exactly one wishes to express it is a matter of development, the core of the identity however is not.
• Also, there is the problem with "assume". It also has the meaning of "surmise, supposed to be true (especially without proof)", which is probably not exactly what you want to say. Because one of the favorite assumption of trannie basher is that what we feel is our gender identity is just in illusion, an error, and not real. Acknowledge therefore makes a lot more sense. Then again, there are quite a few transpeople out there who have managed, sometimes for a long long time, to be aware of their gender identity without ever acknowledging and certainly not adopting or accepting it. It is very much debatable, though, whether these people are not transmen or transwomen. Quite tricky question, actually ... -- AlexR 22:51, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• OK Ambi and I agreed on irc to have it "identifies as female". I like this.--Sonjaaa 03:04, Sep 14, 2004 (UTC)

I think it needs to be clarified what transgender and transsexual meant in the original terminology. Transsexual was coined by Hirschfield as a homosexual term but later more clearly defined by Dr Harry Benjamin (my doctor) to apply to those he considered as having a biological anomaly. Transgender was coined by Charles 'Virginia' Prince the publisher of the transvestite magazine 'Transvestia' who was a heterosexual transvestite. He made it clear he was not a transsexual and had no intention of srs. It is assumed that some who are transsexual use the term transgender in the belief that it removes the 'sex' from their condition. Not possible to change brain gender so the change of genital sex is the option for those who feel themselves mentally a sex in opposition to their physical appearance. By the way I am a HBS born woman whose physical sex was affirmed over 30 yrs ago to match my brain sex: HTTP://www.harrybenjaminsyndrome-info.org/

[edit] Sex assignment

Since the same stupid edits happen there too, the debate is at Talk:Sex assignment. -- AlexR 07:33, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sexual orientation survey

This survey (Transgender Community Health Project, from San Francisco) might be of relevance to the section on sexual orientation, as it gives the percentages for sexual orientation of those surveyed. That section in general could be helped by a few references. --Mairi 03:46, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

We must add this! Crayolacrime 08:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

It'd now be more appropriate for Sexual orientation of transwomen, as the topic of sexual orientation of transwomen has now been split out of this article. But I agree that it should be mentioned there. --Mairi 08:51, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] diagram needed

I believe this of a couple articles that seem similar to me need a diagram explaining them. I will draw one myself if everyone else agrees not to revert it and agrees on the specifications. If not, then I won't waste several hours making something to let it get ruined. MartrtinS 11:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not necessary, and would not add to the encyclopedic nature of the article. Dysprosia 12:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

What would it be a diagram of? I'm having a hard time thinking of anything in the article that ought to be in a diagram, and that would have a clear diagram. Mairi 18:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. Ambi 07:03, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] babies

can they make babies?70.124.132.176 17:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

At this time, transsexual women do not have ovaries or uteruses and therefore cannot bear children post-transition. Some do have children from before transition, and some store sperm to use for reproduction after transition. Andrea Parton 03:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Have a look at my talk page - there's a section that discusses it - It's not really adding to this article, though Lwollert 10:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] question

What is meant by "physically assigned as male at birth"? Does this mean they were born a male? If it does, then what's all this talk about physically assigning? I'm pretty sure you're male or female the moment you're conceived or shortly after. Nobody does any physical assigning that I know of. --Calibas 03:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

See sex assignment, which is what that's refering to (the wording could be clearer). It basically means someone looked at them shortly after they were born and decided that they were a boy (which normally doesn't involve much thought). Mairi 05:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Additionally, See Male and Gender to find out a bit more about this issue. And don't forget the intersexed people who are still regularly assigned an arbitrary sex because their primary sexual characteristics are too long or too short or just plain weird.(no offense intended) The allocation of physical sex is probably the strongest determinant of what gender a child will be brought up in. Lwollert 10:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)