Talk:Toyota Supra

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Contents 1 the image 2 about the image 3 Toyota Supra Logo 4 Broken Link 5 MKII's around the world expansion 6 Mk IV model 7 my rewrite 8 2nd most overrated car in the world 9 New Supra 10 In the name of the Supra 11 Head gasket 12 Minor MKIV Corrections 13 ALSO CALLED? 14 compression ratios between naturally aspirated and turbo versions 15 Supra Page 16 Mark III 17 External Links

[edit] the image

I feel it is misleading to have the first picture on the page of a highly modified Supra. If I look up a car I want to know what it looks like, not what one specific highly modified version looks like. Anyone else agree? Don't get me wrong, the modified one is great if that sort of thing is your interest, but its not typical of the marque. Also, I am unsure of the copywrite legality of the modified car image. TiHead 15:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I strongly agree. By preference, the 'lead' image in a car article should be as close to stock as currently available. If no photos of a stock-condition car are currently available, a modified one might be acceptable until one is found or created.

The photo itself was claimed to be Fair Use under US copyright law. I feel this claim is questionable at best. If we had an article about that specific modified car or about the company or individual(s) that modified it, we might have a claim; but in the Toyota Supra page, where we already have plenty of pictures and it should be fairly simple to just go out with a camera and photograph one, it's very shaky.

The uploader has numerous copyright warning messages on their User talk page, suggesting that they play fast and loose with copyright concerns.

If nobody objects, I will remove this picture soon. If I forget, someone else can do it! Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 19:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] about the image

i have removed it for various reasons.

1. that is a highly modified toyota supra not in stock form

2. that car should not represent what ALL of the toyota supra's look like. there are four generations and they are noted with images of (near) stock supras already. (that MKIV supra isn't stock...)

thank you. ren0^talk 07:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded a picture of my MKIV Supra when it was completely stock. The one on the page is still aftermarket. You're welcome to use this picture. Braddman 14:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/667710210_920286.jpg

[edit] Toyota Supra Logo

I've just uploaded Image:Toyota Supra logo.png, how about using that as the top image instead? κаллэмакс 16:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

yeah, i'm fine with that. i'll add it in my next edit. thanks for uploading it. ren0^talk 07:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Broken Link

The link to the 1981 Toyota Celica Supra Sales Brochure (PDF) does not work, just so you know. Great article btw.

you're right. there is a typo in the link. i'll fix it in my next update. thank you for your input. be sure to place your comments on the bottom and also please be sure to sign your talk edits with ~~~~. it will place your signature by your comment like this: ren0^talk 07:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] MKII's around the world expansion

If anyone has information in MKII Supras around the world, please don't be afraid to add it. Preferably in the same format as i have started. Come on, we need more countries in there. ren0^talk 17:39, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mk IV model

Just uploaded Image:Toyota Supra Mk IV model.jpg, the car is not modified. :) κаллэмакс 20:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Note to ren0: There's no need to upload smaller pictures to make them fit in the article! Just use the "thumb" tag to make a thumbnail:

[[Image:This is a large picture.jpg|thumb|300px|This is a large picture that has been thumbnailed]]

κаллэмакс 20:23, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

yeah, i figured that is as big as the image actually needed to be though. also that image of a "model" car is alright, might have to use it to represent the MKIV for awhile. thanks. ren0^talk 21:54, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] my rewrite

well as of late i have ran out of any free time to work on this article and i only got to the MKII section. if anyone out there would like to complete the other sections it would be awesome. i still plan on watching this article to make sure people don't put crazy stupid stuff in here and i also plan on adding stuff, just a lot more slowly than how fast i wrote the MKI and MKII stuff up.

please if you do plan to edit and add tons of info follow my template that i have set up on the other sections. when it gets to the quick info portion, if you are working on that, just send me a talk and i will be glad to help you out with the table work (assuming you aren't too familiar with it).

thank you.

ren0^talk 18:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2nd most overrated car in the world

Without a doubt, all Supras have 950hp+. The most overrated car of course is the 10,000 hp Nissan Skyline, of which one exists. Nuff said. Keep this Supra page real. CJ DUB 18:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

i have no idea what you are talking about (can't make sense of it) or why this is relevant to the talk page. ren0^talk 23:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

you can talk about whatever you want, POV, etc. My feeling is that too mnay pages on imports are all The "{insert import car make and model here} is by far the greatest car Japan has ever made", or "The luxury of Lexus is unsurpassed". I'm sick of it. Letting you all know you need to keep it real and tone it down. Supra seemed like a good place to start. CJ DUB 00:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

gotcha, yeah i have done a lot of revision (from the top down to the end of the MKII section). looks like no one else is going to attempt editing the other sections, so i am going to slowly rewrite them and remove bias and POV. i mean i actually own a MKII and i tried to keep it strictly facts in that section, even though i love the MKII's more than any other generation. ren0^talk 01:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Supra

Curb weight 3000lbs.? Good luck in doing that. So its gonna be lighter than a Supra and STILL have a 5.0L engine? I'd love to know how they are doing that. Rice-paper maybe? This car will be 3500lbs. minimum as are all supercars. Also, mentioning its somewhat based off a F1 platform is a massive misnomer, considereding the meaning of the word platform in automobiles. If its even close to a race design a la the Carrera GT or F430 its gonna be more expensive than fitty grand. CJ DUB 00:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

sorry i moved this, i am just obsessive when it comes to formatting. now about the "new supra" section. i have been planning to just remove it completely, pending certain people's opinions. toyota has stated many times there will be no more supra. and until they say otherwise there shouldn't be a category dedicated to it. ren0^talk 01:04, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In the name of the Supra

I can open the eyes of the entire Supra enthusiast community in regards to how the Supra has been given additional fictional names, that ultimately do not belong in the grand scheme of things (the history and life of the Supra). The story i have will bring alot of debate, but i believe in it and think it should be added to the Supra Wikipedia. Ill add to this asap. Mr williams

Please make sure that any information you add to the article is verifiable using reliable sources, and not original research. TomTheHand 14:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Head gasket

Where is an appropriate place to mention the BHG problem on the Mark 3? For better or for worse this is an important part of the car's history. Spazquest 05:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Not sure, but you're right. It should go in there somewhere. Roguegeek 08:24, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

It's more a problem with the 7M-G[T]E engine than the car (as the engine wasn't only available in the MkIII nor was it the only engine available in the Supra). It is discussed in the 7M-GE page but not on the Toyota_M_engine#7M-GE page. If it is added to the MkIII section, it should be mentioned that it was an issue with that particular engine. Upholder 05:05, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor MKIV Corrections

Amazing work Reo0. Just some minor points though, this is in regard to the JDM model, my knowledge of the export model is very limited.

"However, the turbo model used 4-piston brake calipers on the front and 2-piston calipers for the rear."

In regard to the JDM model this is an over simplification. They were a factory option in the RZ until 95, the RZ-S model had the smaller brakes and the SZ-R (a non turbo model) was factory optioned with larger brakes. Just to confuse matters in the 96 the SZ-R came with the large brakes standard.

"For 1997, the manual transmission is back for the optional engine along with a redesign of the tail lights, front fascia, chromed wheels, and other minor changes such as the radio and steering wheel designs."

Speaking for the JDM Supra the styling changes were introduced in May 96. This including a restyled front bar, head lights, tail lights, 5 guage instrement cluster and steering wheel. Although the wheel style was changed they were not chrome wheels. Also in Sep 97 the 2JZ-GTE VVTI engine was introduced.

"For 1998, the radio and steering wheel were redesigned once again. The naturally aspirated engine was enhanced with VVTI"

In regard to the VVTI, this applies only to the export model, JDM 2JZ-GE was not released with VVTI.

Also, please correct vehicle profile box. Supra has never been a 3-door hatchback. It's a coupe. //andyye

Yeah, I realize that and I have tried to set it to coupe. Almost as soon as I do it get's switched back. So I stopped bothering. ren0^talk 18:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ALSO CALLED?

THE Toyota Supra is Also called Toyota Supra? Should this be revised? "i thought the also called tag" was used for example Nissan skyline gt-r aka Godzilla

Thanks for the input. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EDIT TYPER (talk • contribs).

For future reference please sign your posts using ~~~. I assume the "also called" tag is for shortened versions of a name. Thus, "Toyota Supra" is the shortened version of "Toyota Celica Supra" (The original name of the car). Sort of in the same respects of the Chevrolet Camaro Super Sport, some people call them just Camaro SS. ren0^talk 00:05, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] compression ratios between naturally aspirated and turbo versions

there should be a section or at least some mention of compression ratio between the years for the mkiv supras. the naturally aspirated 2jzge is 10.1:1 and the turbo 1jzgte is 8.5:1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.136.158.253 (talk) 01:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Supra Page

I think everybody did a very good job building this page. It is very well organized and thought out.

...One thing that I think is needed is a picture of the Celica Supra Symbol. The Dragon.

Otherwise I think it is all good. Especially the MKIII section. Being a MKIII owner I tend to see this generation (and older) left out a lot. I am glad every generation was thuroughly described.

PulsHrd 15:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mark III

As the proud owner of a 1992 Mark III Turbo for the last eight years I would like to add a few comments. This is my first contribution to Wikipedia so please bear with me...

As I understand it the Mark III was based on the Lexus LS300 and was built in the Lexus factory. Platform, suspension, engine & drivetrain are all LS300, I believe.

The turbo version is fitted with a limited slip differential which makes the car tail happy in the wet due to lack of traction control (and attracted heavy criticism from the UK motoring press).

My car suffered from the infamous head gasket problem which destroyed the engine. In spite of it's then age (5 years) and 120,000 miles Toyota contributed 50% of the replacement engine cost, partly due to the German garage making a hames of the repair.

Another common problem with the turbo engine is the pressure blow off valve shattering its plastic sealing ring leading to poor throttle response (the blow off valve diverts pressurised air back around the intake tract on sudden throttle shut off to prevent turbo stall. It has a plastic seal just like a large tap washer. Replacement is very easy).

DesmondW 20:25, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

I understand the policy in WP:NOT; however I personally think all of those links should be there as those are virtually the main sites that have more information on this car. There is no official Toyota Supra site anymore (well there is, but it is in references and it doesn't have much information). With the inclusion of those five sites it gives readers a chance to visit them and find (more advanced) technical information, a place to ask questions, and so on and so forth. On a side note, the list is much much smaller than in the past. So please, leave them there. ren0^talk 07:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)