Talk:Toyota AE86

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

	Cars Portal This article is supported by Wikipedia Project Automobiles, a collective approach to creating a comprehensive guide to the world of Automobiles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you are encouraged to visit the project page, where you can contribute to the discussion.
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the Project's quality scale. Please rate the article and then leave a short summary here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses of the article.

This article is part of WikiProject Sports Car Racing, an attempt to improve and standardize articles related to various sports car racing series throughout the world. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.

Shortcut: WP:SCR

This article is part of WikiProject World Rally, an effort to create, expand and improve World Rally Championship -related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page for more information.

Contents 1 Article Moved 2 Specs/Year Changes Added 3 Older Comments 4 Rewrite 5 Clearing Up 6 Imported bits 7 Massive Cleanup Needed 8 too 'americanized' ?

[edit] Article Moved

I've moved the article to "Toyota AE86" instead of "Toyota AE86 Sprinter Trueno", it more accurately describes the content of the article. --Jeff Lange 08:51, 14 March 2006 (GMT-7)

[edit] Specs/Year Changes Added

I've added my list of specs and year changes for North American AE86's. I'd also like to propose a name change for the article to simply "Toyota AE86" as the article deals with all AE86's, not the Japan-specific Sprinter Trueno. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeff Lange (talk • contribs) Feburary 17, 2006.

I agree, "Toyota AE86" would certainly fit the article better. --WEKS 19:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I would recommend to get the Specs and year changes into one table. It would make this article smaller (in length) and a clearer arrangement. There could also be added the Japanese Models and some infos, if available. Ainawing 12:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Older Comments

I just wanted to add some additional information about the car. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SeamusRedux (talk • contribs) July 18, 2004.

I don't like how this article likens the car to Skylines, Lancers, and the like because it _doesn't_. For a sub-200hp car it's remarkably quick, but nowhere outside of a work of fiction would it be competant stock for stock with either cars. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.168.109.94 (talk • contribs) June 9, 2005.

I've got to agree with you on this. I think the last paragraph seems to be a case of trying to compare the cars with its peers. It is not in the same league as those cars mentioned. Editing to remove references to those vehicles in the last paragraph. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anggarda (talk • contribs) June 16, 2005.

Whoever wrote that got alot of info incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.3.146.47 (talk • contribs) October 5, 2005.

[edit] Rewrite

In my opinion this article needs, if not a content rewrite, than certainly a sweeping reorganization. It reads like an homage, in many areas, so NPOV is an issue, and I think readability could be inproved significantly by breaking it into sections. I'll take a crack at it, unfortunately, I can only verify factual errors as reliably as google can guide me. Fox1 18:42, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

The organization of the information seems wrong some how (mainly within the technical section).

I will rewrite and organize some of it later, I made a few small changes.

- Jeff Lange

I agree on a rewrite, why single out the other AEs before and after it (AE92, AE111, etc), if not, merge it onto Toyota Corolla. WilliRennen 18:42, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Don't merge this with Toyota Corolla. The car is unique in both its sport heritage and its drivetrain. It should be kept separate for the same reason that Subaru Impreza STi is kept separate from Subaru Impreza. It's legendary sports car versus family sedan, and it would be hard to make generalizations within Toyota Corolla since the AE86 is so much different from the other Corolla models.

Better, how about write a new article called Toyota Corolla Levin, which covers all Levins and Truenos made between the '70s 'til the '90s having all being a sporting models and all models made before AE86 were rwds and graft the AE86 article into it. Literally asking why alienate all other Levins and Truenos by writing just an article on AE86s. BTW, the article about the Porsche 911 Carrera RS has being merged into the Porsche 911 article. WilliRennen 14:00, 12 Feb 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the "Hachi-Roku" is certainly famous enough to warrant a separate article, so keep it this way --WEKS 19:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clearing Up

This following sentence requires rewording: "The Shuichi Shigeno version differs in that its max RPM is 11,000 rpm, it has a light weight reduction (carbon fiber hood), and it is somewhat akin to the re-engined AE86 in Initial D Stage 2, Taito's Japanese Racer, Battle Gear and Genki's Shutokou Battle (1999), have the "Tuned" AE86 Trueno, that is the "Takumi Fujiwara" (the protagonist of Initial D) Trueno GT Apex AE86."

Is the italic text supposed to make sense?

[edit] Imported bits

These are the following bits from the Initial D real-life locations and popularity as they have some revelance to this aricle. These are the following that have now been moved in ....

• Three years prior to Initial D, in one of Shigeno's earlier works Tunnel nuketara Sky Blue, the lead character Toshihiko, like Takumi, an 18 year old senior high school student also drives an AE86 Sprinter Trueno.
• Dear Boys on episode 14 the main character went on a date with a girl to go watch a movie. They were watching Initial D Fourth Stage where Takumi's Eight-Six overtakes Tohru's Roadster over the gutter at Momiji Lane. Ironically, this 30 second clip was the prototype cel-shading used on Battlestage as 4th Stage anime hasn't been released yet to the public at the time (this series released in 2003 and Fourth Stage in 2004).
• School Rumble episode 01, where the Eight-Six is being outrunned by the three main characters of Tenma, Karasuma, and Harime Kenji riding their schoolbikes through a corner. Rather than having the Eight-Six called "Fujiwara Tofu Ten", in School Rumble it is called "Kobayashi Tofu Ten".
• Miami Guns episode 04, of a police car that uses an Eight-Six as the chaser in Miami also with the same Panda coloured pattern.
• Capeta episode 01 shows a brief glimps of an Eight-Six. This is an example of how often an Eight-Six is referred. Also, in episode 3, while Capeta's father is working on a Hachi-Roku on the road.
• Transformers in one of their animes shows (the Energon series) an Eight-Six is seen from the distance complete with a carbon fibre hood, although it was never specified if this was a transformable autobot since it was getting a carwash from another autobot.
• The Jrock group M.O.V.E. (Yuri, Motsu, and T-Kimura) who has always done all the official opening songs and most of the closing songs for Initial D has made a "Initial D" related music video called "Freaky Planet". where T-Kimura is driving through a mountain pass, or touge, with Yuri in his passnger seat and Motsu sitting at the back. As they drive, the Eight-Six now with a carbon hood, crosses their paths repeatedly.
• Although there are more anime and manga related findings of Initial D, the Eight-Six can be found in other animes. Such titles to name a few include Ex-Driver, Tenjou Tenge, Over Rev, Azumanga Daioh or FLCL.
• Beck (manga) features a scene where Saitou is rushing Koyuki to the Airport to see Maho off and Saitou is driving extremely fast on the highway and he overtakes the Initial Eight-Six.Willirennen 15:00, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Massive Cleanup Needed

I see --~~~~ in many places, and portions of the "pop culture" look extremely messy. I'll leave it to people more familar with the article before I go in and clean it up myself. --293.xx.xxx.xx 01:08, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Extremely badly written, in some places gibberish. --Dustek 15:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I worked it over—how does it look to you now? DocWatson42 07:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] too 'americanized' ?

I think North American individual car specs shouldnt be listed as titles in the menu. Perhaps just have then as sub headings and then include things like JDM Levin/Kouki Sepcs / European Specs / Australia / UK... etc —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hr4lifeyo (talk • contribs) 08:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC).