Talk:Toxteth
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Would you say Toxteth is a Ghetto, and if so, why?
Loved the photo of the helicopter, it really sums up the Toxteth I knew and loved. --Salix alba (talk) 15:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
I thought Wayne Rooney was from Croxteth & robbie fowler was from Toxteth
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- I've pulled both the photos, and trimmed the list of people; the photos do not directly add to the article, and the list of people - apart from failing the neutrality test - included people just passing through (literally, in the case of John Paul II). Mtpt 16:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Jewish community
The following was reciently deleted. Whilst flawed I think there was some material worth including, especially the presance of the synagogue so I pasting the deleted material here.
- Was once a great area in Liverpool with houses bigger than average, yet still has low house prices. In the 1960's, it was considered the best area of Liverpool, but has gotten progressively worse over the years. Houses are grand and have many 'mansion' like qualities. Houses should be worth a lot more, however, crime prevents this from happenening.
- Was home to a large Jewish community, but many left to London and other metropolitan business cities, however there is still a synagogue there which is still used by Jewish people.
- When the Jewish people left, the houses were a high price, a lot higher than the national average, but a rise in crime made these houses cheaper and made them availabale for people of a lesser money income, mainly ethnics, who have now settled there and are living there peacefully.
- One of the reasons of the sizes of the houses is actually because of the large numbers of people in a Jewish family, often 8-10 in a family, a lot higher than the national average.
- The majority of remaining Jewish families left to Childwall.
- Today, property developers are highly interested in the area because of the quality and size of the houses, which with a bit of refurbishment could be worth a lot more once again.
--Salix alba (talk) 14:53, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
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- I can't speak for the other person who removed it, but frankly, combined with the lack of sources for the contents, the language is pretty questionable! If some of the facts can be supported, it should be rewritten and posted with citations. As for the reference to the synagogue, perhaps this could be fleshed out and added back in?Mtpt 16:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ali Mohammed Mahmoud
The article refers to him as the first local councillor of Somali origin, but no source is given for this. It's also not clear whether this means the first such councillor in Liverpool, or in the UK. Can anyone add a citation/clear this up? Mtpt 16:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Latest deletions
Fraid to say I don't like the latest deletion. This used to be a page of character which reflected the character of the place I knew from ten years ago. It is now as dull as dich water. The Toxky bird summed up the place so well, and resonated with anyone who has lived their. The riots were a defining character of the district setting the tone of the place and prompted much of there regeneration. Maybe it has changed in the last ten years since I lived their, but Toxteth is a place of joyrides being chased by police helicopters, the no go area of Gramby street, continuing tension between police and afro carabean youth. --Salix alba (talk) 16:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC) (one time resident)
- Salix, the point about the photographs is that either could have been taken anywhere - there was nothing in them that added to a non-resident reader's understanding of Toxteth. "Tokky birds" is a straight forward in-joke, which is likely to be pretty well incomprehensible to anyone outside of the UK (if not Merseyside). As for the riots, the content about them in this article simply repeated the content in the seperate article on the the riots. (We're rapidly going to get into "Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not" territory.) If you think there is something which should appear in this article - say the post-riot regeneration or ongoing tension - why not just add it in? Mtpt 17:07, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Gambier Terrace
I live on Gambier Terrace and can I point out that it is NOT in Toxteth, it is still considered to be in Liverpool city center because the postal code for Gambier Terrace is L1 and not L8. It is still in the Georgian quarter though if that was the confusion.
- I live on Percy Street (parallel to Hope Street and, therefore, Gambier Terrace) I agree that it should not be included, except for a See also Toxteth definately starts on the other side of Upper Parliament Street. DavidHumphreysSPEAK TO MEABOUTTHE THINGS I MESSED UP02:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
