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I suggest someone put the coordinates of Toulouse and a Link to the Maps like most of the Cities and towns in wikipedia. Johnny!~
When a city name is given in Occità, as here, I assume that I should deduce that it is a region speaking Occità or some descendant thereof ? (I'm entirely unfamiliar with Toulouse, so I wouldn't know that otherwise.)
Occitan is spoken in Toulouse and the Midi region generally, but only as a secondary language.
What's the general opinion on the SUMMARY and DETAIL sections of Toulouse's history? Personally I think it's a bit unnecessary, and would like to fold the SUMMARY text into an expanded DETAIL section. Thoughts? Nightsky
I wrote the Antiquity section of the article. Realizing it was quite long, I thought it would be best to offer a summarized presentation of Toulouse's history for people who do not have the time or desire to read all the nitty-gritties of that history. I will soon add an Early Middle Age section, and a Late Middle Age to Present section that will be as detailed as the Antiquity section. Perhaps the best would be to do like what the folks did in the New York City article. They left only a summarized version of the history of the city, and put a link to a History of New York article. That way we wouldn't be overloading the Toulouse article. But I suggest we wait for the Early Middle Age section and the Late Middle Age to Present section to be completed before we create a specific History of Toulouse article. I will finish them and add them as soon as my time allows. Hardouin 11:05, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Sounds good. Thanks for the marvelously informative "Antiquity" section! Nightsky 15:52, Jun 2, 2004 (UTC)
I have finally been able to continue the history of Toulouse, I have been as far as year 1000, but I still need to cover from year 1000 to 2004. It is incredibly time consuming, as the history of the city is very complex, and local history is always badly documented (unlike national history), so it is hard to find good and reliable sources. Anyway, I have created a new article titled History of Toulouse, as I had previously suggested, and I sent everything there, leaving only a brief historical sketch in the main Toulouse article. In the article about the history of Toulouse I have reorganized the chapters into a more detailed lay-out. As soon as time allows I will finish the chapter about the County of Toulouse, and write the chapters regarding the period after 1271, which should be easier since Toulouse was then only a provincial city of France, and no more an independent place subject to the complexity of the European political chessboard. I hope everybody enjoy. Hardouin 22:20, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Not to deny Baudis' achievements, but it seems to me that much of the "Local Politics" content would fit better in the "History of Toulouse" page. What do you all think? Nightsky 04:21, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)
- The History of Toulouse article is far from being finished. Currently it stops at the year 1000. Events after 1000 are just briefly discussed, and it will need considerable rewriting, so let's wait. Whatsoever, I am not sure it is a good idea to bury the Baudis years in the depth of the History article... After all what's most interesting to the understanding of current political events is what happened in the recent years, and that information should be readily accessible in the Toulouse article itself. Last but not least, is that recent an history really History? Hardouin 12:43, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
At the "Colleges and universities" section of the article it has a link to Arsenal. I was wondering whether that was meant to be there. If there is a university called Arsenal, should the link not be to Arsenal_(univeristy) or something similar? --Dimitri 09:35, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Corrected that. L'arsenal is just the name of the largest building of Université Toulouse I. Hardouin 00:29, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] /tuˈluzɐ/ vs /tuˈluzo/
This is for Hardouin who said:
- Have you checked the international phonetic alphabet table? /ɐ/ is pronounced like a very open o, and it is the right IPA letter for Occitan, so please don't change it again.
I am not sure if you're a native Occitan speaker or what. But I have rechecked my sources (i.e., the chapter in Occitan in The Romance Languages) as well as having listened to a recorded Occitan lesson (the Lengadocian variety of which Toulouse is a part). I came to the conlcuslion that you're confused about the vowel.
First, I speak Tagalog as a native language. We have /ɐ/ in our language as an allophone. This is clearly different from Occitan, which is an /o/.
Second, in post-tonic positions in Occitan there can only be four vowel allophones, one of which is [o].
Third, in old-fashioned Occitan writing, Tolosa is writen Toulouso.
I hope I made myself clear. Thanks for your understanding --Chris S. 21:42, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
- I am not confused about the wovel, thank you. The final a is pronounced /ɐ/. You can check that at [[1]]. On the French webpage, follow the link "L'Occitan", then "La phonétique de l'Occitan", then "Le système phonétique des voyelles et associations de voyelles". Also, it is better to leave slashes and not use brackets, in order to allow for slightly different pronunciations among Occitan speakers. On Wikipedia we almost never user brackets for IPA. Hardouin 16:43, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
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- I did some more researching. There are several sources which contradict your source. Hence, I made the necessary changes. The websites I cite are below for your perusal. There is also a book I have called The Romance Languages published by Routledge; it has a chapter on Occitan used /o/ in its transcriptions. Plus as I mentioned, in Tagalog we have [ɐ] as an allophone of /a/ and it's different from what I hear in Occitan.
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- http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Occitan/Grammar/Occitan-Pronunciation.html
- http://membres.lycos.fr/simorre/oc/ensenhoc.htm
- http://www.quercy.net/oc/graphie.html
- http://www.gasconha.com/reglas_grafia_occitana.php
- http://www.omniglot.com/writing/occitan.htm
- http://loucaramentrant03.free.fr/calandreta/occitan3/ (listen to #2)
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- --Chris S. 20:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Bias?
While reading the article I felt that the authors had nothing but good things to say about the mayor, glorifying him and making many many generalisations about the city, it's developement and his achievements. Also, could the history section be more of a survey of the entire History article rather than just a lot about recent history. AllPeopleUnite 13:59, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
[edit] New Infobox Template proposition
I'd like to bring your attention to a new - or other - version of the "Large French Cities" infobox presently at use in a few French cities pages. The present version is much too large, partly because it consecrates too much space to information having little importance to French demography and an only distant and indirect relevence to the city itself. Instead I propose to follow a less cumbersome model closer to that used by the New York City article - you can view the new version in the Paris talk page here. Please view and comment. THEPROMENADER 22:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- As a result of some discussion over the past weeks, there is an updated template available for perusal in its 'published ' form (filled with data) here - all comments welcome. -- THEPROMENADER 07:24, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Vandalism Alert
I've just noticed this article is flooded by garbage information from IP 12.152.102.212. It seems he has already been temporarily blocked, but by looking at his history, I think this should be permanent.
Please note all his editing in this page should probably be removed and re-editted, since it is scattered all over the place. Also, it would be wise to check out his history and go over all the pages he encountered.
Peace. Guycarmeli 17:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
