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Contents 1 Tory's Introduction 2 Writing to L. Ron Hubbard 3 South Park Short on the 2000 MTV Movie Awards 4 "sick" vs. "hepatitis" 5 WAY too much unverifiable detail

[edit] Tory's Introduction

Hi........My name is Tory Christman, and I was in Scientology for 30 Y E A R S. In July of 2000, I finally woke up, thanks to my friend who runs www.xenu.net and his help, and I left, forever.

If you'd like to know more about Scientology, my suggestion, having done almost all of it is this:

Read various web sites and make up your own mind.

Here are a few to get you started:

Operation Clambake

XenuTV - Videos, sounds, and other media

Arnaldo Lerma's website

Tory's own web pages

Alt Religion Scientology list of Scientology related links

If you'd like to e-mail me, please do so at magoo44@charter.net

-- Added 06:10, 23 October 2005 by Tory Christman as 66.214.141.78 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Writing to L. Ron Hubbard

Christman wrote to L. Ron Hubbard, who replied that she was not a Freeloader, and should only pay for two courses. Hubbard told Christman to "continue to get auditing in their organizations" and insinuated she needed to handle her Epilepsy before she could return to the Sea Org. Hubbard told Christman he would see her "up the lines," meaning back in the Sea Org, once she had handled her physical condition.

Isn't it true that someone else took care of Hubbard's correspondance of this kind with scientologists? I'm not sure who, if it was HCO or whoever, but it might be worth mentioning, unless someone can prove that the responses actually came from Hubbard himself. (Entheta 23:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)) I spoke with Laurel Sullivan, who was L.Ron Hubbard's personal PR, and she told me that yes, others answered all of his communications. However, I have a feeling he probably told someone what to write, as it was opposite of what all others were saying, and he was the only person who could do that, as far as I know. Either way, it certainly helped me.

[edit] South Park Short on the 2000 MTV Movie Awards

In the sited article Sympathy For The Devil it mentions that one of Tory's last jobs for the OSA was to get MTV to either edit or remove the South Park Short that made fun out of Battlefield Earth but the wikiarticle doesn't mention it at all. Should we include this information? The Fading Light 9:12, 30 April 2006

I don't see why not, but be careful with the references and be clear exactly who is saying what. AndroidCat 02:07, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "sick" vs. "hepatitis"

An anon editor changed the description that Christman's single use of heroin "made her sick" to saying she contracted hepatitis from it. I was going to mark it as requiring a source, but I tried to find any verification for it and failed. Per recent discussion at WP:RS and the high probability of Ms. Christman being targeted for "dead agenting" I am instead removing the claim to the talk page. -- Antaeus Feldspar 21:16, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

a bunch of things need to be changed because they are not appropriate for an encyclopedia page. they make her opinions of the church sound like fact. this is a page giving informnation about a critic of hte church, not that the church is evil. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Johnkong (talk • contribs).

[edit] WAY too much unverifiable detail

This article is way too long for a not terribly notable person. It is unencyclopedic as well, telling us what Tory thinks without any citations. In my humble opinion, this article should consist of a few paragraphs saying who she was and why she's notable, not a detailed life story. Phiwum 17:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Unsourced fluff sentences like "Tory was very happy in Park Ridge, and to this day considers that foundation of growing up in such a safe, happy town was part of what helped her wake up from Scientology, years later" are sheer garbage, as far as being encyclopedic goes. Highfructosecornsyrup 19:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed here as well. And the part that says "sat in tears, seeing the organization for what it really was." WHAT IT REALLY WAS? FACT? That is NOT FACT. That is your opinion. I changed it to "seeing in a new light." Unbelieveable.Johnpedia 02:51, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

A remarkable piece. Maybe copied out of a tabloid or so. Does anyone object to get rid of it? Misou 02:37, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

She has some notability, I believe, as a critic of Scientology. If there were an AfD, I would vote weakly but would have to see the arguments before I can say weak keep or weak delete. But certainly the article needs to be encyclopedic, which, IMHO, it is not now. However, as a Scientologist, I would prefer that another take the lead and I will help out a bit as I see appropriate. --Justanother 03:22, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually it is pretty simple. [WP:BLP violation removed] Since there is not much to tell she has to blow up her stories a bit with opinions and how she "felt". End of story. I have seen such cases with other groups and they always remind me of divorcing couples. This drama might have a place in paying gossip mags but not in an encyclopedia. Misou 04:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I made some changes to tone down some of the opinions and mind reading. I hope that people will feel that that is an improvement. Steve Dufour 12:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that. Does not make her notable but at least once can read it without brain freeze. Misou 05:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)