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[edit] The Rocket?

When I went to Toronto, I remember this system as being called "The Rocket." This article makes no refernece to it. Did I just remember it wrong, or is it called the Rocket as well? - Hbdragon88 04:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

While you raise an interesting point, this is addressed in the overview of the main/parent article: the term has been applied to any number of TTC vehicle types and the term "Ride the Rocket" is often used to promote the entire system. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 04:28, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA failed

These reasons are given :

Please cite your sources as the References section is not all related to the article or can only be used as a secondary source.
The article has too many lists.
The article has too many sections (the TOC is too crowded.
Many sections have only 1-line paragraphs, far from nice prose.
Lots of NPOVness in the article. See this section for example.
Map duplicate : give only the map with the future expansion.
Subway facts sounds like a trivia section so there is no need to have that section unless it is has a better prose.
Too many tables, try to have 1 or 2.

Lincher 00:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Connecting Routes - All Checked!

Hey guys! Just finished a run-through of each of the stations, and checking them against the TTC's own Route & Station list. Although there are a few odd choices in the TTC list (a streetcar running on Wellington apparently is a "connection" to Union Station), I made any corrections necessary. Should be all good from here. Suigi 03:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Digital renderings in infoboxes

You may note some new digital rendering of the TTC station walls popping up on Wikipedia. These are from "Neurotic" Jose Ongpin, who has releaed the images under the GFDL. Suigi 06:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about the lack of updates. Been kinda busy with university right now. Will do what I can when I can. Suigi 21:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

All done! All stations 'cept Queens Quay are done (Jose never did that one).

[edit] Future expansion

They recently annouced the results of the RT study. They're keeping it as is plus modiflying the track to have bigger trains. Then they're going to have the Malvern extension. The future expansino map should reflect this.

It's a proposal by Scarborough Community Council. There's no money for it yet. Let's not jump the gun. Ground Zero | t 01:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] T35A08

The section on the new subway cars now being ordered is labelled "T35A08". Does anyone know whether this name has any real status with the TTC? From what I can see, it was a jokey reference used in the "name the subway train" contest, rather than serious code name.

Almost certainly these things will simply be internally referred to as T2, regardless of the contest outcome. But since that isn't known yet, perhaps the section should just be "new car design" or something similar?

Thoughts? Daveharr 12:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

The official name was released this past week - it's the Toronto Rocket. See here: [1] Suigi 03:57, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by 74.121.10.113

User 74.121.10.113 has been continuing to revert the article, claiming there are 69 stations on this subway system. I reverted it originally as vandalism, due to the obvious nature of the number chosen, and the fact that the list itself has 74 stations in it. These appear to be bad faith edits. -- Kesh 02:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

After thinking as you did (and reverting this), I rechecked and believe the anonymous editor is correct: TTC operating statistics (2005) indicate 69 stations in the system, with subway interchanges being counted once. The heightened number (74) results when the five interchanges -- Spadina, St. George, Bloor-Yonge, Sheppard-Yonge, and Kennedy -- are double-counted. Psychlopaedist 02:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Aha! That would account for it, then. It does appear that interchanges are listed multiple times on the TTC list. It might be helpful to add that specific link to the citations.

I'm going to apologize on the user's Talk page, though I am somewhat puzzled they offered no support for their edits at all. -- Kesh 02:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A candidate for a new table

**Toronto Subway/RT**

Locale	Toronto, Ontario
Transit type	Rapid transit
Began operation	March 30, 1954
System length	68.3 km (42.7 mi)
No. of lines	4
No. of stations	69
Daily ridership	1,186,050 (2006)
Track gauge	4 ft 10 7/8 in (1495 mm)
Operator	Toronto Transit Commission (TTC)

Or we can change the logo to the original pic at St. Andrew station. Blackjays 14:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Subway Art

Significantly expanded this section and added an image of St. Clair West station. Johnny Au 19:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I also added nine other images of subway art throughout Wikipedia on each station that has images already uploaded. I placed them in a gallery. Johnny Au 04:16, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Defunct Subway Lines - What?!

Both of the links (Yonge-University-Bloor and Yonge-University-Danforth) refer to the page for Bay and the 1966 interlining trials. But why? Is this really necessary? Suigi 01:53, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I just linked it to there because there really is no other refernce article, section and those ones best describe what they were. Unless someone could make a main article for them, its the closest thing to something relevant. --Yllianos 04:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Calling them defunct lines is a bit misleading, though — they’re really more former routes that were run (and for just six months) on the same lines as the current, simpler routes. Listing two ‘defunct lines’ suggests that huge amounts of infrastructure has been abandoned, which is not the case; even Lower Bay is still in use, if only by out-of-service trains. I’d say it’s debatable whether they’re even significant to merit a place in the infobox, but if they do, it would be just as one link to the interlining trials. David Arthur 16:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Said interlining information can be found further down on this same page, so to be honest I would prefer if we ditch the defunct lines portion. Suigi 20:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Toronto Subway System

Can someone verify that name? I've never heard that name used to describe the subway system. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.116.213.216 (talk) 05:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

Agreed — the previous name more closely reflects TTC usage, and the new one plays into the hands of the people who for some reason want to cover the Scarborough line separately. David Arthur 15:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. The new title also violates the Wikipedia naming convention: Do not capitalize second and subsequent words unless the title is a proper noun (such as a name) or is otherwise almost always capitalized (for example: John Wayne and Art Nouveau, but not Computer And Video Games). "Toronto subway system" is not a proper noun -- this is not what the TTC calls it. Ground Zero | t 16:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moved back

Because this article had been moved without any prior discussion, because the new article name violated Wikipedia naming conventions, and because three editors (me included) have objected to the move, I have moved it back to the original name.

If anyone wants to make the case here for renaming the article to "Toronto subway system" or something else, we can have that discussion prior to any future move. Ground Zero | t 15:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help from an expert

I would like to eventually see a featured topic on Canadian rapid transit. However, since this article isn't up to snuff yet, such a topic would fail. Is there an expert who is willing to take this up to the featured standard? -- Selmo ^(talk) 20:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

I have now tagged the article for cleanup. The TOC is too crowded (does the history section really need that many headings?) The "subway facts" section needs to be ingergrated into the rest of the article. avoid trivia sections in articles. There are no inline citations. Footnotes are the most popular citation style. Finally, the text can use a copyedit. This has some good advice. After this is done, we can submit this to WP:GAN agian. — Selmo ^(talk) 00:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] light rail expansion

No mention of the new plan yet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.141.47.50 (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

See Toronto streetcar system, with which it has most similarity. Radagast 01:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Still, the SRT extension to Malvern should be mentioned, as should the Finch Line since it my understanding that it's going to have it's own dedicated right-of-way to the north of Finch along the hydro line. This would make it an actual RT line rather than a streetcar line. Snickerdo 03:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

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