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I removed "outside of America" since, the last time I checked, Canada is not part of USA. Gregsinclair 01:30, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

The link for Dee Brown is linked to the wrong Dee Brown, correct it when you can:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dee_Brown_%28basketball%29 --216.86.70.188 19:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me or is everyone way too high on Alvin Williams here? king 20:38, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

In terms of Raptors history, he's still up there. Perhaps in a few years time, as the franchise grows, he'll be forgotten, but for now I think he stays. On that note however, I'm taking off Hakeem and T-Mac off. I know they're both big names, but not for the Raptors. Hakeem did nothing, as great a player he was, and T-Mac hasn't got half the history/contribution to the franchise as the other guys have (apart from the statistical guys - Donyell, etc) Boomtish 10:21, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please cite sources for move to st. louis? i have not heard of this. --72.136.150.139 00:07, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Name origin? 2 Point of view 3 Olympic Selections 4 today/06-07 season 5 pictures 6 Logo 7 Not To Be Forgotten 8 Rallying all Raps Fans 9 Rivalries 10 GA Review 11 Current season has potential to explode 12 Spelling issues, if any 13 Team's Colours 14 Canadian/Euro pespective on NBA basketball

[edit] Name origin?

When I think of the city of Toronto, the first thing I think of is not some predatory dinosaur. I think it would be helpful for the page if someone posted how they got their name. Was it a unilateral choice by the owners? A citywide vote? Does anyone know? PrinceMyshkin 22:07 January 31 2007 (UTC)

good point. id try to find out. Chensiyuan 03:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

according to chuck swirsky, it's because gm thomas liked that dino movie in the 1990s... ridiculous as it were it's not exactly surprising either. Chensiyuan 03:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I have a picture/commemorative book for the Raptors first NBA season, and it says it was chossen from a list of names from the fans. SFrank85 01:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

You're right. It was a "Name the Team" contest. It's how most of the 90s expansion teams from all the sports got their names. Although why they chose Raptors is still a mystery to me. Dknights411 02:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Ay, i've since added the above information, as well as the corresponding citation, to the article. Feel free to improve the article Raps fans!! Chensiyuan 16:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Point of view

I've added an npov tag to the article. Specifically, the "Today" section is written with many opinions not supported by references. Can someone attribute these opinions or remove them? Fagstein 07:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Tried to address it. bssc81 - Feb.2 2006

A bit better, thanks. Still needs more work. (For example: "Not to be forgotten"? What does that mean?) Fagstein 06:11, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I think 'Not to be forgotten' is generally in reference to players who have really contributed historically and/or left an imprint/their legacy of sorts on the franchise. In some cases, there are statistical guys who are not to be forgotten (see Taback, Marshall etc), but otherwise, the rest are fairly prominent in relation the history of this franchise.

And for what it's worth, Rose hardly fits under this category. There is a difference between being recognisable or a name player and contributing to the franchise significantly. Same goes for guys like T-Mac and Hakeem. Boomtish 11:04, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic Selections

Please complete that list.--J3wishVulcan 21:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] today/06-07 season

i think that it would be better if the today section and the 06/07 section were merged together as they are basically the same. it would also conform with other NBA teams and make the page easier to follow. Soccer fan 02:30, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

- someone should make a seperate page for each Raptors season. almost all the other NBA team pages have something like that. [kaizen@feb4]

that's mainly because their seasons spread out over decades; the raps franchise is something like 12 years. the time will come where separate entries would be needed, and clusters of seasons summarised, but that time has not come yet.Chensiyuan 00:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

- understood.[kaizen@feb4]

[edit] pictures

won't it be nice to have some (legitimate) pictures for this entry? Chensiyuan 03:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

• Right now, I believe this page has too much pictures it now looks like a picture gallery than an encyclopedia. Would it be better to cut some excessive pictures so this page would be cleaner and easier to read? Kaiteng316 05:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Since I put up most of the pictures, obviously I felt the opposite. I feel an encylopedia should not stinge on pictures, because apart from being informative (and pictures do have that value), encyclopedias should be interesting. Of course there is such thing as overkill but right now I think it's acceptable. Second opinions? Chensiyuan 11:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logo

SFrank85 seems to think that the gray claw, introduced in 1995 as the secondary logo, has now become the primary logo. Where is the official announcement that proves this? Please provide the evidence before changing the logo again. When teams change their logo, they announce it officially.[1][2][3][4] If this is indeed their new logo, why in the world did they not say so in the press release announcing their new 2006 uniforms, killing two birds with one stone? You say "this logo is now used in press releases, uniforms, websites, news media, and on the court." Yeah, but it's very common for teams use secondary logos for these purposes; they don't spend thousands or millions designing logos they aren't going to use. Look at the Suns' court, or the Nuggets' shorts. Look around. Perhaps the Raptors are experimenting with their identity and perhaps the claw logo will be officially announced as the primary logo next season. Until it is, stop changing the logo. (I doubt this would happen unless the claw logo is modified. Every primary logo in the league identifies the team by name.) Punctured Bicycle 06:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I concur wholeheartedly. —MC Snowy (Talk | contribs) 23:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not To Be Forgotten

There are many players in Not To Be Forgotten section that don't deserve to be on the list and need to be removed, but many people keep reverting back. Ones who played with Raptors for a very short period or didn't give any positively significant contribution for the francise. Hakeem may be the legend but he played for the Raptors for a very short period and didn't do anything statistically for the team. The only reason Dell Curry is there is that he's a veteran sharpshooter? I'm not sure about Matt Bonner and Charlie V. But Alonzo Mourning? He didn't even played a single game for the team! And you guys keep bring him back on the list! Kaiteng316 19:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

no hard and fast rules so there isn't any concrete criteria we can look at - or is there? i'm not so sure myself. but mourning is definitely out since he didn't play a single game. sentiments towards certain players are definitely subjectively perceived. even for someone like vince carter, i'm sure plenty of people *do* want to forget him. the best test i suspect is the test of time. maybe a few years from now, people will really ask themselves what in the world is matt bonner doing on the list, and if that's the case, we know we have forgotten him. Chensiyuan 02:40, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rallying all Raps Fans

let's start improving this article by getting the references, which is what, amongst others, this article is sorely lacking. Chensiyuan 15:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

the part on raptors fans being success-starved etc... i can't quite figure where is the best place to put that piece of information. it is not specific to any of the seasonal breakdowns, nor does it seem right to put it as a preamble to the seasonal synopses... Chensiyuan 16:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rivalries

wonder if the Raps are considered to have any rivalries? then again they spent 9 of 12 seasons thus far in the central division... Chensiyuan 04:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

nets would be a possibility for obvious reasons... i wonder if bulls can be one too since there was a 0-15 run... until today. Chensiyuan 05:36, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

The only reason the Nets would be considered a rival is Vince Carter, which should be better seen as Raptors vs. Carter's team rivalry. Two teams that come up in my mind that can be seriously considered are New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers, especially Knicks because of Playoff series. Kaiteng316 06:01, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

yup your point is noted, except that those two teams won't be around to fight it out for playoffs this season... barring a second half miracle. next season probably. Chensiyuan 14:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

Just from a quick scan, I can say that the references and general info is good, but I'd like the Preseason and Season win-loss records to be integrated into the paragraphs. It would look nicer that way. Again, I'll give a more detailed review soon.--Wizardman 16:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I have bits and pieces of criticism in a few spots, but they're really things that one works on in between GA and FA, so I'm going to pass this.--Wizardman 22:29, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing this article. Chensiyuan 02:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Current season has potential to explode

as pointed out by some other users on this talkpage, the section on the 2006-07 season is continually expanding. two reasons: it is a potentially transformative year for the young franchise (e.g. competing to win the Atlantic Division, which if happens, would be its first ever crown, an almost totally new lineup from the last season that has gotten people noticing etc.). second, well with the internet these days as compared to the older seasons, we have a hell lot more information and newsworthy items being made accessible (case in point: i could never find any citations for players who wilfully refuse to report to Toronto in the first few seasons).

so, my point is, i wish to make the 2006-07 season a separate article. it reduces overall length of the Toronto Raptors article, and transfers some pictures (the current number irks at least one user). more importantly, i think it justifies an independent entry.

just to add on, another issue i thought of is if indeed the 2006-07 season becomes a separate article, would it affect the integrity of the article in terms of its GA status? (that said the 2005-06 season may also warrant a separate article)

as such, i would put this idea on hold in case a better idea pops up. Chensiyuan 02:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

would probably create a separate sect for 06-07 after the playoffs. Chensiyuan 02:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling issues, if any

i have a question on spelling. this is about a team which is based in Canada playing in an American league made up of either Americans or Europeans. American spelling or? Chensiyuan 03:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Team's Colours

Recently, someone keep changing Raptor's team colours from red and white to red, purple, white, silver and black. We know that the Raptors have already dropped purple from the team's colours. The problem is the old purple logo is still in widely use in many, let just say most, media, which I'm unsure about it. So, should we keep the purple in the team's template? Kaiteng316 16:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

i'm not too sure of the answer myself, is there a source that confirms all this? Chensiyuan 01:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian/Euro pespective on NBA basketball

there are lots of funny little textual clues that show a "football"-lover wrote the article: i.e., trades called "transfers," EuroLeague referenced like the average american fan knows what it is. also, lots of non-objective comments (some comment about how the current team will go down in history).

however, all that said, a nice article, very informative. Michaeljwsiegel 00:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

the word "transfer" is used once; don't understand your Euroleague comment - can you elaborate; will look into the NPOV aspects (however regarding the "going down in history" aspect you must be viewing a very old/cached version of this article because i can't find that statement anywhere in the article). Chensiyuan 11:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC)