Talk:Toronto Goth Scene

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This page is going to document how the toronto goth scene and goth subculture differs from the international norm. This will be useful to goths visiting toronto, and also to add to the Toronto_culture wiki article on subcultures because currently toronto_culture looks like a government published tourist advert.

toronto's goth scene has a long history which differs in material ways from the international goth subculture

having local scenes documented seperately will help to avoid fighting and bickering over what goes on the main goth subculture page.

please don't delete it yet. TheDarknessVisible 07:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

someone applied the opera stub... there may be a gothic opera thing in toronto, but I have no documentation on this. please dont wait for me to discover it. I know that there is a lof of opera in toronto so I wouldn't blink twice to find itTheDarknessVisible 21:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Keep providing reliable sources if you can and I'll format them and try to eliminate any original research. If kept, this should be renamed Goth subculture in Toronto. If deleted, Culture in Toronto can have a shortened summary version. –Pomte 02:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll keep adding reliable sources. I thought the history should be chronological. because one of the sources say that from mid 90's a whole fetish/betty boop thing started appearing. It was initially seperate from the goth scene but crossed into it. I know at the time it irritated many goths who considered it an ungoth intrusion. but after the shootings it took over and then gothic lolitta came in (which was/is even more vacuous as it drops all pretense towards needing to even read or know anything about anything - so becomes a truly pure fashion subculture) in any event.. there is more data and more sources.. so I thought keeping it chronological would be best. at least for now... thats why I had it as pre 1988. from 1988 until the columbine shooting. and then after that. kimveer gil was only sept 2006. so it really didn't do anything yet. no clubs have closed.. there MIGHT be a resurgence occuring. but no one had done any kind of objective measurement. and it might just be a temporary bump.. or even the wheather. but Gil and Columbine are definitely seperated by 6 years a significant changes in between (closing of siren and sanctuary.. opening and subsequent closing of vatikan, anarchist cocktail.. closing of limelight.. and in fact virtually the ENTIRE nightclub industry in toronto collapsing)... there is all sorts of stuff. TheDarknessVisible 02:43, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The history should definitely remain chronological as it is, it was just unclear from the section titles what they actually talk about. "The end of the millenium" doesn't mean much and that section goes down to 2006-present. It talks mainly about the effect of the school shootings so that's why I named it that. Feel free to rename as content is added and mention the associated years as well.
You know what, I have no clue as to the goth scene in this city, so all I can do is go by these sources. (I live in the suburbs so I only see them when I'm downtown for a concert that attracts goths and I'm like, where do they pop up from? I've been to Funhaus but only when they play rock/metal.) –Pomte 02:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

  • Is Madame Webb's Sight an authority on this subject?
  • I'm failing to find any reference to Kensington Market in either of these citations:
  1. Hans Boldt and Sylvana Grisonich-Boldt (2006-08-21). Toronto - Kensington Market 2006. boldts.net. Retrieved on 2007-03-31.
  2. Matthew Didie (2006-10-23). So Goth it Hurts - The Lost Post.... One Old Green Bus. Retrieved on 2007-03-31.
There's one mention of 'goth' here.
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