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[edit] FC vs F.C.

I moved the page to "F.C." for consistency, because we have "D.C. United", "F.C. Dallas", "C.D. Chivas USA"; most soccer clubs throught the world have the dots in their Wikipedia articles. DR31 (talk) 01:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

It is not about consistency. You need to look at the official websites of these teams before you add periods because of your preference. Toronto FC and FC Dallas do not use periods. C.D. Chivas is not even the official name, as Club Deportivo Chivas USA, is. D.C. United has periods as the official name, as Washington, D.C. uses periods as it is the city's name. KnoxSGT 04:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Then the Dallas page should be moved. DR31 (talk) 12:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The FC Dallas page has been moved to FC Dallas (MLS) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KnoxSGT (talk • contribs) .
Please don't create a new section when responding to comments; just reply in the same section by editing the page (rather than using the + button). Also, why was FC Dallas moved to FC Dallas (MLS) (it's since been moved back)? Is there some other FC Dallas that isn't in MLS? Powers 18:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sources

This page needs sources. If we don't have a published second-party source for the name speculation, this article is unencyclopedic. Powers 14:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] US Open Cup table

i dont know how to do this, but can someone please remove US Open Cup from the table on the right hand side. It has already been determined that they will not compete in this tournament as they are not an american team (Soccer fan 23:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC))

Looks like a permanent part of the MLSbox. I did the best I could by marking them "ineligible". Powers 23:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
I created a MLS Canada template so it will not show the US Open Cup. SFrank85 03:09, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Less than ideal, don't you think? What if the MLS box changes? Powers 18:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Should US Open Cup be removed from the MLS box? It's not an MLS competition. --Elliskev 19:20, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
It's tempting. The Rochester Raging Rhinos don't get it listed in their infobox, nor do the many teams that won it before the MLS existed. It is important information, though, equal in stature to a league championship. I guess I'm undecided. Powers 02:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
It might aswell stay now. SFrank85 00:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

If you look at any other soccer team from around the world, none of their boxes include any sort of wins, championships, ect... I looked at teams from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America even the USL where the Raging Rhinos play. I think the MLS box should be changed to conform with the rest of the world's soccer boxes. Soccer fan 13:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree, change the boxes. --J3wishVulcan 13:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand your reasons, but you may want to post these opinions on the Major League Soccer board before you change anything. Remember that others monitor the page too. Here is something else to keep in mind; say Cracovia Kraków wins the UEFA Champions League, I think Cracovia fans would want to see that posted on the team's featured page. Even though the Polish Ekstraklasa supports UEFA competitions as it is a member, the UEFA is not technically the Ekstraklasa. Now apply that to the USA, if an MLS team wins an Open Cup, sponsored by US Soccer. Even though the Open Cup is not an MLS competition, it is a US Soccer Federation one. I am not saying you're wrong, but do consider this. KnoxSGT 13:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, but can't it be handled in an Honors section? --Elliskev 13:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

That's fair. KnoxSGT 00:32, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Since my input was asked for: I am against changing the boxes to the Euro standard; it just doesn't fit the American game, from lack of chairmen to the different ways nicknames are handled, to English vs Americanisms (manager vs coach, "colours", "ground", etc). The differences DO matter. I don't see why the boxes have to be like the rest of the world; the structure of the game in the US is vastly different than elsewhere. There are different boxes for NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB; I don't see why MLS can't have it's own format. In fact, I designed this one based on the soccer national team templates before the club templates became standard. Now, as for the US Open Cup thing, it's easy enough to make it parametrized, which I just did, so Toronto can now use the regular template. DR31 (talk) 01:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Supporter's Groups Websites

I'm going to be removing the following from the Supporter's Groups section because they appear to be completely inactive:

  • Toronto FC Fans Page - hasn't been updated since July
  • Toronto FC Fans Forum and News - site since May, forum since July. Up to date information ... - since July
  • TFC Talks - since July
  • Fan site for supporters - half finished, says it's under construction, no "news" just pictures taken from other sources
  • Toronto Sports Fever - just one old (July) link to the official site

Is this cool with everyone? i think it would clean up the page and direct traffic to the sites which are actually keeping up with the team, if the forums/people on these sites begin using them again then they'd be fit for inclusion again. AgainstSteve 05:37, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting Uniforms

Maybe they should change their name to "the Riddlers", with that question mark on the front of their jersey. If nobody knows what their uniform looks like yet, maybe that should just be put there instead rather than have people out looking for soccer jerseys with question marks on them.Yankee Rajput 15:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Only absolutely thick bastards would think that was their actual shirts. -- Boothman /tɔːk/ 22:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
LOL, would have to agree. SFrank85 00:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nicknames

Is there any documented (English-language) nickname for the team? SFrank thinks it's The Red and Whites, JewishVulcan thinks it's the Reds. As per the article, the team wants a nickname to come organically though La Corriere calls them the "white-and-reds" in Italian. I think any sort of colour based nickname will have to wait until the team's jersey actually comes out (but I don't plan on removing either "the reds" or "the red and whites" or "the white and reds"). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AgainstSteve (talk • contribs).

I haven't been following the team super-closely, but they're are covered on the news a fair amount (I live just outside toronto). I have never once heard a nickname for the team yet. perhaps when the unis come out and the team actually has more than one player...maybe. SnaX 02:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
On message boards people refer to them as simply the 'Reds'. That is my source. And what better source is there for a nickname than the fans themselves.--J3wishVulcan 02:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
On the message boards that i have been visting, they are referred to as TFC; they are not referred to as the reds on any of the major boards like usector, rpb, or big soccer Soccer fan 17:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I don't think all the "i biancorossi" stuff, and the other info on Italian nicknames in the History section, is relevant because it was all conjecture -- added before the jersey was released. Now that we see the team colours are red and grey, I think it makes sense to delete all that stuff. James17930 3:54, 24 December 2006, (EST)
The Italian paper (Corriere) is continuing to use "i biancorossi" e.g. January 13, 2007, even though the team's colours are red, white, grey. I will modify the article to include that as a nickname.Oldtimer6 10:09, 17 January, 2007, (EST)
Is biancorossi really a "nickname"? Italian papers around the world call any team that has red and white biancorossi, but not all teams might consider that a nickname per se. If the Corriere has an article about a game against Red Bull New York and calls them biancorossi as well, does that become a RBNY nickname? Bigdottawa 09:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that you are being unreasonable. Of course it is a nickname! Just because it might be applied to other teams does not invalidate it. For example, FC Dallas is nicknamed the "Hoops" (after the kit design). That appears in the Wikipedia article on FC Dallas, and has been used regularly on the mls website. This nickname has been used for a lot longer for Celtic FC of Glasgow, Scotland, but that doesn't invalidate it as a nickname for FC Dallas, as it is clearly being used as such!!! Oldtimer6 15:45, 5 February, 2007, (EST)
If Toronto fans begin calling the team biancorossi, it's a nickname, just like Hoops became a Dallas nickname because people call them that. A newspaper calling them biancorossi hardly makes it a nickname. Bigdottawa 09:25, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jerseys

See http://adamjameshutchings.spaces.live.com/ AgainstSteve 05:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Does someone's online space count as a source??? Soccer fan 19:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Well I probably wouldn't quote text from it but these drawings are the same as the standard Adidas sketches that come out before new jerseys are released. And the VP/GM has confirmed to a supporter's group basically all of the features which these sketches contain. Heresay I know, and if you're gonna revert it to the question marks I won't interfere, but still these are legit AgainstSteve 05:39, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ROSTER?

Hi guys, should we start putting up the players for the team or should we wait to see which players Mo will trade away? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.121.168.64 (talk • contribs).

Let's put 'em up as they come. Bill Oaf 01:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
sounds good —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.121.168.64 (talk • contribs).
Removed Dyachenko, he was traded —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.141.212.7 (talk • contribs).
Removed Kotschau, they dropped him, heard on the FAN 590 from MO. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.141.212.7 (talk) 13:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
Removed ROberts, reports he signed with Sparta Rotterdam from a Dutch newspaper. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.141.212.7 (talk) 17:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Abbe Ibrahim

I've removed him from the roster for now. He may well sign, but until then, all Mo and TFC own are his MLS rights. That is to say, if he returns to the league, he's Toronto's - but he could still sign elsewhere. I assume that Ibrahim will end up with TFC, but he's not signed yet. Bill Oaf 20:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TV rights?

The official site is usless. 198.161.51.39 02:32, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

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