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Contents 1 Recent vandalism 2 Fansites 3 Article too long? 4 New game regions 5 "As of surveyed Toontown"? 6 Citing references 7 Toon Clothing 8 Do we need to cite lags? 9 Results of peer review 10 Doodles 11 "Toontown" or "ToonTown"? 12 Gardening 13 Captialization

[edit] Recent vandalism

I see that the topic was locked today due to repeated vandalism. I understand what's at the root of this: the recent 3-day lockout of several users due to Disney's accusasations of macro activity. I also understand that many of these accusations very well could be incorrect. But vandalizing this page is not the solution. I, for one, would have been happy to accomodate discussion of this issue in the "Criticisms" section of the article, and I'd still be willing to do so. Vandalizing the article is NOT a battle that you can win. Please work through proper channels (i.e. Disney) to get some resolution to this issue, not Wikipedia. Vandelay 04:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

All true. However, he/she wrote in their comment "lock this article so everyone will know". It seems that having the article protected was their intention. Looking to the fan sites for a clue, I found that it was significantly more than just a few users who were affected. Just one thread on this issue, on one of the many fan sites, has had more traffic on it than anything I've ever seen before, and will soon register over a thousand posts and tens of thousands of views over just 4 days. Crooks don't usually generate that much concern. Moreoever, there is substantial evidence that the company does not provide any recourse and there are no "proper channels" to work through. For crying out loud, kids who probably wouldn't otherwise misbehave have adapted to the situation by gleaning home numbers of key execs to spam and flame them verbally. That must be some education Disney is providing!217.132.25.220 04:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I realize that the page has been Vandalised at least 4 times from now and this needs to stop! I have some really godd Ideas for this page that I would like to edit for it but we need for all this nonsense to stop. We also need to edit the page beacuase there are some typofixes that need to be edited. Lets get the Issue over with so everyone can help edit agian.

I agree that vandalism of the Wiki page here isn't at all constructive. Making a note of what happened is sufficient to let people know what went on last weekend. Also, I've a note for User:Ryanbomber: More than several players were put on hold; an informal poll at Toontowncentral.com revealed that 47 of 166 site users found their accounts on administrative hold for "third party macro use" from 3 November to 6 November. It's impossible to say whether those 166 users are truly representative of the overall Toontown player base, but if they are, that means a bit over 1/4 of Toontown's US accounts were locked out over the weekend. If so, that would certainly explain why we haven't been getting anything more than canned responses in e-mail and on the phone... they are probably still being flooded with inquiries. 71.207.192.196 06:57, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Im not sure when the vandalism will stop what I do know is that Toontown Online will be taking away acounts that have connections with Toontown Central and Toontask.com. Already a few acounts were taking away and that some of the vandalism was form those users writing comments about toontown. Of course, these were there not real but we should watch out for more of these edits.Sonic34 18:59, 13 November 2006 (UTC)Sonic 34

Posting stated above is not even viable for posting. Toontown Online has not and will not take away anyone's account for a "connection" to toontowncentral.com or toontask.com. Account names in both fansites should not match user names in Toontown Online. Even if some do match (yikes!) Toontown Online would be at best guessing if the username they found at one of the fansites was indeed the same username in their database of users.

This is just stupid get over Toontown Central the fan sites have been deleated and the article is no longer locked.Eddy643 13:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Some person is using there IP addres to vandalis the page could some one PROTECT the page please!Themasterofwiki 13:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fansites

People are repeatedly adding links to external fansites to this topic. According to the Wikipedia External_links topic, "On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such". Toontown has so many fansites now, I don't think there's one "major" site, with the possible exception of Toontown Central. That being the case, I think it's best to eliminate all fansites from this topic. -- SleepyheadKC 19:35, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

No fansites at all. --Z.Spy 01:25, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

and will someone(other than me)PLEASE update the page??

Thanks for the endorsement Weird Flapjack. Come on over and check us out. This is Fuzzy Bunny Bop, Management, ToonTask.com Hi Fuzzy! And i was the one saying no links to IF sites. --Z.Spy 00:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Most of the revisions in late January 2006 were by me, known as Big Tom Supernugget on the TTC site. (Sorry about the huge number of minor edits -- I'm a relentless editor of my own writing). I'm a longtime toon of 2.5 years, and I enjoyed working on this. Hope you like the changes.

My assumption is that Wikipedia should serve as a very good general description of Toontown along with what makes it unique and interesting. I don't see Wikipedia as being the place for a detailed players' guide or strategy guide. Would you agree? SleepyheadKC 19:35, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

All fansites sould be deleated ASAP these are dangrous and are full of Online Predotrs they are for toons to go into chat rooms and make secret friends with pepole around the world. That is agenist the toontown Secret Friends rules and must be premently deleated.

I think that these should be deleated beacuase they have no connection with Disney and is copyright. On the bottem Of Toontowncentral.com it says it is not powerd by Disney. We should deleated these due to copyright.Sonic34 13:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)Sonic34

Fansites are significant - they contain information. Also, it is not powered by Disney but it does not violate copywrite - if they did, the sites would have been shut down by now. The problem is that fansites are also equal, and Wikipedia only wants us to list the most significant fansite, so I guess we won't be able to list any of them, unless we want to come to a consensus as to which is the most significant. -Ryanbomber 13:48, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I concur. Even if it says something like "Not related to Disney whatsoever" that isn't a copywrite infringement. Besides, wouldn't Disney do something about those people that offer up the secret codes to talk to people? Take VMK for an example. Doesn't use secret codes, but enforces not being able to give out secret information. The same thing happens with Toontown Secret Friends, but it isn't really patrolled, due to the fact that secret friends usually only happen between two people, and that no other suscribers other than another friend can read it.Huanghe63^talk 00:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, since we're on the subject, Disney DID do something about the secret codes being passed on fansites. Back in December 2004, they added the "Restricted Secret Friends" setting to the parental controls -- it requires the Parent Password to be entered every time a secret is generated or entered. If a parent wants to limit their child's Secret Friends, all they need to do is keep the child from knowing the Parent Password. (No I don't work for Disney, but I know about this enhancement because I had specfically requested it).

Back on topic, I agree that we shouldn't list fansites in the article. Vandelay 18:27, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

They have been deleated.Mr.Rachel 20:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article too long?

The article is getting too long in my opinion. Any suggestions about a revamp? My own thought is that the article contains too many "stats" (i.e. the hit points of every gag, the levels of every type of cog, etc). According to WP:NOT#IINFO, we're not supposed to be creating a "game guide". Perhaps these stats could be moved to a separate article on "Toontown gags", or if someone creates an external site with this info, that site could be listed in the "External links" sectdion. Vandelay 14:53, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I actually just noticed this today. I was gonna trim it when I had some free time. -Ryanbomber 23:46, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean too long? An article can never be too long - Tud123

Might want to read WP:LENGTH -- it suggests that articles should be less than 32K in length, to keep them easily readable. (The Toontown article is currently 39K). This isn't a Wikipedia requirement, just a general rule of thumb. I'm just wanting to discuss it, especially since the article seems to contain a lot of specific "stats" (i.e. lists of every gag, hit points for each gag, lists of cog levels, etc.) that might not be appropriate for Wikipedia. What does everyone think, should the stats stay in the article? Vandelay 16:06, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I made it 34k , by removing all the information we don't need :) . - Tud123 10:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, before we started making major changes, I was hoping that we could discuss here to get some agreement on exactly WHAT should be deleted. For example, I would have deleted the "algorithms and formulae" section, the damage points for each level cog, maybe the lists of each gag, and some of the less important "criticisms". I would have left in the verbiage about Gardening and Doodles, and the System Requirements. What do you think? Vandelay 15:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

System requirements is kind of iffy. Maybe not in quite such verbatim, but some basic info on it. All the formulae and other "numbers" is a bit cluttery and also not supposed to be here as it's sort of game-guidey. Doodles and Gardening should go back, though. -Ryanbomber 17:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I removed Doodles and Gardening because they are found at toon estates (Also, there was incorrect information that stated level 7 gags always hit). - Tud123 21:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

I see your point, but if that's the reasoning then we should add something about Doodles and Gardening to the Toon Estates paragraph. And we need to put something about System Requirements back in because it's linked from the Info Box at the top of the article. I'll make an attempt. Vandelay 21:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New game regions

Just a note, that Toontown Online is now available for Malaysia, Phillipines, and Singapore at http://www.mobiuskids.net/toontown/index.php and is also linked from the toontown.com international redirection page. The official launch date is 15 Dec 06 but as far as I know it was available since 30 Nov 06. --Quira 03:39, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I added an external link to the he Southeast Asia version, and a reference to it in the article. Vandelay 21:06, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "As of surveyed Toontown"?

Someone added the results of a survey to all the gag descriptions (for example, "As of surveyed Toontown, this is an 86% gag choice"). Does anyone know what survey they're talking about? Was it a Disney survey, or was it a poll on a forum site? I'd like to make sure the numbers are accurate, and if so, I'd like to reference a link to the survey in the article. Vandelay 15:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

These "surveys" are polls that are found on the main page of toontown.com[1] to the right. Every week (I think) they change the polls to a new topic. It will be kind of hard to find a reference for past polls though. Hope i could help in any way. 70.170.93.169 02:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I know about those polls, but I don't think this was one of them. The polls on the Toontown website let you select only of the choices, and the results always total up to 100%. This gag survey must have let people select multiple choices, because the numbers don't add up to 100%. I'm guessing the gag survey must have been on one of the fansites? And if we're going to quote numbers from a survey, we should provide a link to the survey results. I'll remove the remaining references to this survey until we have some way to verify them. Vandelay 23:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citing references

Today's featured article is about the computer game Half-Life 2. I suggest we use it as a model for how to improve the Toontown article. For one thing, it cites a reference for basically every claim made. I'm going to start working on adding references to the Toontown article. Please help if you can! Vandelay 17:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Toon Clothing

There hould be an article on Toon clothing. Some thing about the clothes is that girl toons can wear whatever they want, boyish or not, but boy toons can't wear skirts or shirts that look girly. If a boy tries to buy a girl outfit, on the cattlelog on top it says doesn't fit. Also, boys can wear girl clothing if a boy goes to a friend's house (Who is a girl) and goes to her closet and tries on her clothing, but he can't wear the clothes out of the closet. By the way, it's actually very funny when u see a boy wearing girl clothes. please add a clothing section. Thanks. 70.170.93.169 01:59, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do we need to cite lags?

Lagging is present in just about every computer game (MMOs more so). Is there any specific reason that it needs citation?

I agree that it shouldn't be there, and perhaps neither should any of the current "Criticisms" unless we can cite a source. Last week, I requested a peer review of this article, and one suggestion was to remove the entire "Criticisms" section, since it's unsourced. Vandelay 23:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Results of peer review

Last week I requested a peer review of this article. Results can be found here: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computer_and_video_games/Peer_review/Toontown_Online I agree with most of the suggestions: the "Gags" section needs to be cut down -- most of that info is interesting only to current Toontown players. I also agree that more 3rd-party reviews of the game (i.e. from gaming websites, newspapers, etc) should be discussed, and that the "Criticisms" should be removed unless we can find worthy sources for them. Anyone want to discuss further? Otherwise, I'll likely edit the article soon. Vandelay 23:46, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I chose to be bold and remove the criticisms now. Nifboy 22:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doodles

I think we need more on doodles. They are only mentioned once but they can be a big part of the game and really save your butt most fo the time. You can teach them all kinds of tricks like jump, backflip, and speak. You can also double the amount they heal by training them enough. This would be a good add-on or at least a decent separate article. A good resource for this would be stratics.com or toontask.com Thanks! Sage of the Seltzer

[edit] "Toontown" or "ToonTown"?

I disagree with the article's renaming to "ToonTown Online". NONE of the Disney press releases about the game spell it that way. Neither do any of the media articles about the game. If you visit their website, the browser title bar will say "Toontown Online". Per WP:RM, we really should have had a discussion before this move took place. Vandelay 18:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Your opinon.Themasterofwiki 17:55, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's the purpose of the "Talk" page -- to share opinions about the article. If you disagree, maybe you could try to explain why? Vandelay 18:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Moved page back to "Toontown" spelling. Vandelay 11:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gardening

Do we have any gardening experts here? Specifically the gag bonuses for trees and the bonuses for flowers, their effects, and what combinations of jelly beans works at what level. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lebeshantur (talk • contribs) 00:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Captialization

Toons and Cogs are capitalized in the game itself, so shouldn't it be the same in the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.209.5.11 (talk) 21:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC).