User talk:Toniher

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[edit] Welcome, from Journalist

Welcome!

Hello, Toniher, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Let us discuss some things

First of all I don't think Wikipedia is the right medium to propagate Catalan nationalism.

[edit] Fishes

There is a new proposal on naming conventions for fish being discussed at WikiProject Fishes. As a member of a project whose naming conventions would be affected (WikiProject Aquarium Fishes), your feedback would be appreciated at the WikiProject Fishes talk page here. Neil916 (Talk) 01:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC) You say: "They are counted as part of the Catalan Countries, and more polemically (because of different frontier changes throughout history) of the historic territory of Catalonia."

Who counts La Franja as part of your "Catalan Countries"? Don't say me it is a Catalan radical party, then that would the same argument like Hitler's assumption that The Netherlands should be part of Germany.

You write: "Catalonia (Catalan: Catalunya ; Spanish: Cataluña ; Aranese: Catalonha ; French: Catalogne) is a region in southern Europe, formerly an independent country, embracing a territory now situated in the north-east of Spain and an adjoining portion of southern France.

The historic territory of Catalonia corresponds to the present-day Autonomous Community of Catalonia (also named Southern or Spanish Catalonia with respect to French or Northern one), plus other territories including Northern Catalonia (Catalan: Catalunya Nord), part of France since the 1659 Treaty of the Pyrenees, and the small Franja de Ponent or Western Strip, which is also disputedly considered part of the historic territory of Aragon because of several Aragon-Catalonia border changes throughout history."

My question: when was "Catalonia" independent? You say it was part of the Crown of Aragon. How could have been Catalonia independent being subjected to the King of Aragon? After the creation of the "Spanish mark" by Charles the Great (thus part of the Carolingian Empire, not an independent territory" the Kingdom of Aragon was responsible for what you call "Catalonia"?.

Ok, would you please answer my questions before I put you some more? Thank you.

Please, try to be more respectful. I could also say in a demagogical way the same for Spanish case and consider that it is Fascim or whatever... And thanks God, that's not true for most neither Catalan nor Spanish nationalists.
I can understand from your position that you do not like these terms, but they are widely used in Catalan-speaking community, not only from what you say that are radical parties. Please search in Google Països Catalans+Franja
The former Principalty of Catalonia, as the former Kingdom of Valencia and the Kingdom of Aragon may all be regarded as independent countries under the same crown, and that is until the end of the War of the Spanish Succession. Despite the differences of history and origin, a rough analogy can be drawn with the same distany in present Commonwealth.
Best regards Toniher 07:11, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] feixisme a la wiki

Has vist la pàgina d'usuari d'un tal User:El Rei?

Alguna cosa es deu poder fer, no? Hi ha usuaris amb l'adreça IP bloquejada. Saps com va, això? Jo aquí sóc força nou, no se quina política hi ha, en aquests casos. Un administrador que podria ser un bon suport és User:Jmabel. En fi, ja veurem... --Joan sense nick 22:18, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Catalan negationism

Per això he fet una pàgina nova! Gràcies, afegit!--Paco ✉ 21:41, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Adiu!

Ai vist que parlas occitan! Avem besonh d'ajuda e de contribucions per far avançar lo projècte en lenga d'òc... Ès benvengut se vòls participar! :)

A lèu! [[1]]

Cedric31 21:11, 21/02/06 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation Cabal

I just wanted to make sure you were aware of this. A response or explanation would be appreciated. Thanks! --Keitei (talk) 08:10, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Catalonia a nationality?

Toniher, first of all let me thank you for your contributions, particularly to the article on Catalonia, which I have been reading.

I have just posted a note to that article's discussion page about the following line that you inserted on 7 December 2005: "Catalonia was officially recognised as a nationality in the Catalan Statute of Autonomy enacted in 1979 pursuant to the Spanish Constitution of 1978."

'Catalonia' is a place. 'Nationality' is a characteristic that is usually applied to a person. Did you mean:

  • "Catalonia was officially recognised as a nation..."?
  • or "Catalan was officially recognised as a nationality..."?
  • or "Catalonia was officially recognised as an autonomous community..." (My quick reading of the 1978 statute leads me to believe that this was the intent of the statute.)

Again. Thank you for our contributions. (This Yankee has much to learn about Catalonian (and European) history!)

Frappyjohn 03:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ja estem amb la qüestió de noms

What's the problem with Valencian Community? As you know this is the official name, if we start the País Valencià thing, then soon you will have someone posting Regne de València or something like that. Besides, and more important, I am from the Valencian Community, but not from València, thus I don't feel represented by the name Valencia by itself. Finally, if you write next to Valencia that in catalan/valencian the translation is País Valencià/Comunitat Valenciana, that is obviously confusing for not local audiences which expect a literal translation from whatever term is before the translation itself. That is why I have to insist in the previous version. Thanks Mountolive 16:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Officiality of Aranese in Catalonia

Hello Toniher. In the article about Catalonia, I've changed your revision about the officiality of Occitan language (Aranese) in the Autonomous Community of Catalonia. Please let me explain that change. According to Article 6 of Preliminary Title of the current "Estatut" of Autonomous Community of Catalonia (your citation: http://www.gencat.net/generalitat/eng/estatut/titol_preliminar.htm), "The Occitan language, known as Aranese in Aran, is Aran's own language and is official in Catalonia, as established by this Estatut and by the laws of linguistic normalisation". You can find the explanation of "as established by this Estatut" in Article 36 of Title I of that "Estatut" (http://www.gencat.net/generalitat/eng/estatut/titol_1.htm): "1. In Aran each individual has the right to know and use Aranese and to be attended orally and in writing in Aranese in his or her dealings with the Public Administration bodies and public and private entities accountable to them. 2. The citizens of Aran have the right to use Aranese in their dealings with the Generalitat". So Aranese has only an official status in Aran Valley and in the dealings of Aranese people with the Generalitat. That's not the same of being official in the hole territory of the Autonomous Community of Catalonia, like Catalan or Spanish. Thanks and best regards.Eddl 12:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xuetes

I was thinking that you are as likely as anyone to be able to answer some of my (many) questions at Talk:Xueta/translation. And, if not, can you suggest someone? - Jmabel | Talk 05:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please

You have your views just like anyone else, but I deem you as a reasonable guy, so let's just not open a silly edit war with the Valencian Community name, ok? If you want to open new section with names, that is ok, but before you do that, you must be aware and weigh the controversy this involves and that, possibly, it may not end looking as you wish. Gràcies Mountolive 22:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there; mate, don't be sorrut, in English the habitual meaning of Castilian is something related to the history of Castille and the language is called Spanish, nevermind what a website may say: the article is not to push ignote versions of the name, you can do that in the Spanish language article if you want, but doing it in the Spanish languages section is, obviously, POV pushing. No one calls Spanish "Castilian" out of Spain other than, maybe, a bunch of linguists. Or put it this other way: you being a Catalan nationalist shouldn't have any problem in putting it as "Spanish" as confronted to Catalan, right? Mountolive 20:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Aquarium Fishes

Hi Toniher, Welcome to WikiProject Aquarium Fishes (WP:AQF). Here's the newsletter of this month so that you can catch up with what's going on. Cheers. --Melanochromis 19:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] The Aquarium Fishes Newsletter: April 2007

The Aquarium Fishes WikiProject Newsletter
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