User:Tony Sidaway/Sandbox/Alienus

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[edit] First edits

  • 18 Feb 2005: first edit
  • 28 Oct 2005: fifteenth edit and the start of regular editing

[edit] First block

3 Feb 2006 
Edit war mainly with Loxley (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) involving vast number of reverts on Multiple Drafts Model, many with edit summaries of "rvv" or otherwise very uncivil remarks:
16:17 "As per village vandal policy, revert first, integrate later, if at all"
16:39 "rv unexplained changes"
17:09 "still no explanation, still reverted. buy a clue."
17:16 "still no explanation, still reverted. buy a clue - rinse, repeat"
17:47 "I am asking you to stop vandalizing. Instead, take it to Talk and abide by the results. You will not be allowed to vandalize this article."
18:04 "still no response from the vandal. I can revert all day long."
18:26 "still no response from the vandal. I can revert all day long. and all night"
18:49 "rvv"
20:07 "rvv"
20:10 "Take it to Talk"
20:44 "rvv; take it to Talk or I'll just keep reverting"
21:00 "rvv"
21:24 "rvv"
21:32 "rvv; take it to talk; you will never win this way, just get blocked"
00:50 "rvv"
4 Feb 2006
blocked by Alai (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) under Wikipedia:Three revert rule for edit warring on Multiple Drafts Model:
03:53 blocked
03:55 Alai tells him: "Blocked for 24h, which is a bargain, considering the truly excessive number of reverts involved."
03:53 Alai also blocks Loxley
06:08 Replies to Alai: "In short, because he won't explain his edits and won't take it to Talk, I feel compelled to revert, regardless of the 3RR. Call me a rebel, but I strongly feel that it's more important to do the right thing and protect these articles than to follow the rules. If anything, this is a case of a vandal baiting people into violating 3RR."
5 Feb 2006
the block having expired, resumes edit war:
16:11 "rv, pure POV, see Talk"
on Talk:Multiple Drafts Model, addressing Loxley:
17:11 "If you're going to act like an animal, I will treat you like one. In fact, I will train you like a dog."

[edit] Second block

16-18 Feb, 2006
Edit warring with LaszloWalrus (talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) on Ayn Rand over a category:
20:53 "As per Talk."
17:55 "Weak argument rebutted, restored removed text"
20:38 "LazsloWalrus didn't respond in Talk, so he doesn't get to change anything here."
00:24 "Still hasn't responded in Talk. It's better to discuss than to edit war, Laszlo."
19:58 "Silence is compliance. The lack of any rebuttal entails an acceptance of the factuality"
19 Feb 2006
Blocked by Sceptre (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) under Wikipedia:Three revert rule for edit warring on Ayn Rand. Sceptre also blocked LaszloWalrus.
Woohookitty (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) protects Ayn Rand (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) because of the edit war

[edit] Third block

  • 4 Mar 2006: Tony_Sidaway (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) unprotects Ayn Rand, "a bit of a storm in a teacup". Proposes solution to the argument based on a principle adopted in the PigsOnTheWing arbitration [1]
  • 01:40 5 Mar 2006: Tony Sidaway warns LaszloWalrus and Alienus, simultaneously and individuall and with identical wording on their respective talk pages: "I'm giving both you and User:LaszloWalrus/User:Alienus a warning that, notwithstanding the fact that I'm not banning either of you from editing Ayn Rand, I will block you both if you persist in edit warring on the article. Then you won't be able to edit Wikipedia at all for a bit. Please continue to argue your cases on the talk page." [2] [3]
  • However hostilities were resumed on this and other articles, and so brief three hour "I really mean it" blocks were issued:
  • 02:54, 5 March 2006 Tony Sidaway blocked LaszloWalrus with an expiry time of 3 hours (With Alienus, acting like a so-and-so over Ayn Rand, Rodeo Drive and Objectivism and homosexuality)
  • 02:55, 5 March 2006 Tony Sidaway blocked Alienus with an expiry time of 3 hours (With LazzloWalrus, acting like a so-and-so over Ayn Rand, Rodeo Drive and Objectivism and homosexuality)
  • 03:25, 5 March 2006: GTBacchus (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) advises Alienus:
    "Alienus, from a purely practical standpoint, you're going about it the wrong way. Fight zealots, good. There's a right way to do that here, and you can win, every time. There are lots of mechanisms in place here to stop zealots from screwing things up; use them, and you won't get blocked. Take it upon yourself to repeatedly revert anything, and you'll get blocked for it, eventually. That's just not how it's done. Now that you're blocked for reverting, I wish I'd pressed the point more at Talk:Safe sex earlier. If you want to know how to make Wikipedia work for you, just ask." [4]
  • After this brief block, both parties resumed and so the block was extended to 24 hours:
  • 15:10, 5 March 2006 Tony Sidaway blocked Alienus with an expiry time of 21 hours (Continuing to edit war on Objectivism and homosexuality after 3 hour block ended. Making it up to 24 hours.)
  • 15:08, 5 March 2006 Tony Sidaway blocked LaszloWalrus with an expiry time of 21 hours (Continuing to edit war on Rodeo Drive after 3 hour block ended. Making it up to 24 hours.)
  • 21:24, 5 March 2006: Alienus justifies his edit warring by referring to his discussion edits: "Unfortunately, you're just plain wrong, and I'm righteous because I'm right. I've consistently participated in Talk instead of edit-warring, while the same cannot be said of Walrus. Your refusal to notice this difference is not my fault, and an RfC will not help matters at all. Only removing Walrus will fix things, and that's the one thing you won't do." [5]
  • 04:18, 6 Mar 2006: GTBacchus continues to give good advice to Alienus:
    "As for your statement that "good editors have more to fear from admins than bad ones do," I would say that hundreds and hundreds of good editors will disagree with you on that. Editors who think there's any excuse for edit warring ever aren't widely considered "good editors" around here." [6]

[edit] Fourth block

  • 14-15 Mar, 2006: Back on the warpath, this time on Medical analysis of circumcision:
    "Restored, with enough sites to knock someone's foreskin off" [7]
    "See Talk" [8]
    "See Talk" [9]
    "Kindly remove your finger from the trigger before I have you banned for 3RR violation" [10]
    "No explanation was ever made for the repeated removal of this text on bleeding. Take it to Talk, don't bully" [11]
    "no explanation has been given for removing this text. EVER, BY ANYONE. The only bad behavior was the removal" [12]
  • 19:15, 15 March 2006 William_M._Connolley (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) blocked Alienus with an expiry time of 48 hours (blatant 3rr on Medical analysis of circumcision)
  • 17:55, 16 March, 2006: But he's innocent. "William is being successfully gamed by Jakew, Jayjg and Nandesuka, a trio of wheel-warriors" (edit summary: "bad faith, bad math, bad admins") [13]
  • 20:48, 16 March, 2006: And he's on a mission. "I'm not stopping until Jayjg, Nandesuka, Jakew and anyone else who supports them is blocked from Wikipedia indefinitely." [14]

[edit] Fifth block

  • WP:AN3:
    • 21:09, 19 April 2006 "This user has violated WP:3RR and was let off with a warning by a lax admin. As a result, he never learned that 3RR is the law, not just a good idea. He needs to be banned, and not just for a short period of time." [15]. The administrator referred to is presumably William_M._Connolley (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves), who had blocked alienus on 15 March.
    • 04:27, 20 April 2006 "As for Connelley, "lax" is definitely not the best word to describe him, but civility prevents me from being more accurate." [16]
    • 12:19, 24 April 2006 "The assorted nastiness from Ann is to be expected, but it's irrelevant here. What's relevant is that the 3RR charge had to be cooked up after the fact." [17] (Ann here is Musical_Linguist (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves), who, with user:Timothy_Usher, had reported extensive Three revert rule| violations by Alienus on Christianity)
    • 12:40, 24 April 2006 "Your edits suck and so do you. Mostly, you delete stuff that might embarass Christianity. You refuse to justify your broad changes and you like to edit-war. The History shows this quite plainly." [18]. Appears to be directed at Timothy Usher. He also attacked jakew in this edit.
  • 15:53, 24 April 2006 Nandesuka (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) blocked Alienus with an expiry time of 72 hours (Egregious and ongoing violations of WP:NPA. Example: "Your edits suck and so do you."
  • 16:00 [19] Nandesuka says on WP:AN:
    "I have blocked User:Alienus for 72 hours for repeated, ongoing, egregious personal attacks and disruption on WP:AN/3RR. This user has severe issues understanding what it means to be civil, and has received many, many warnings about personal attacks -- far more than most other users. This latest series of incidents is full of personal attacks, but the best one so far is "Your edits suck and so do you,"
    "Since I have a history with this user (he has alternately accused me, incorrectly, of being a member of a "Christian cabal" or "Jewish cabal," depending on which content dispute he's involved in at any given moment), I'm posting this block here for review" [20].
    Subsequent discussion
    Parallel discussion on WP:ANI
  • 20:49, 24 April 2006 InShaneee (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves) blocked Alienus with an expiry time of 1 week (continued personal attacks)
  • 21:06, 24 April 2006 InShaneee unblocked Alienus (unblocking to extend block per AN:I discussion)
  • 21:07, 24 April 2006 InShaneee blocked Alienus with an expiry time of 1 week (continued personal attacks (and threats for more))

[edit] Sixth block

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