Talk:Tony Alamo
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Who is the woman on his radio show? One of his wives mentioned in the article? Or a new one?
I hadn't thought of these people since I was a kid. I came from Arkansas and they were kind of legendary around there for their activities. I think it was said they mummified the one woman and put her in a glass display case like the Soviets did with Stalin. Might be the article, I haven't read it for awhile.--T. Anthony 21:56, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, that's the one. He tried to say his wife would rise again. He's still about and still distributing leaflets. --MacRusgail 11:11, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Yeah I told my Mom about what I found out here and elsewhere. I had only thought of him as one of those weird figures who hoped to make being Catholic in Northwest Arkansas difficult, but as I haven't lived there since I was little I'd almost forgotten him. I added "New religious movements" as a category for him. I hope no one objects, it's just him only being described as "Christian Fundamentalist" does seem a bit misleading. He was a good deal umm more eccentric than most Fundamentalists.--T. Anthony 08:35, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Okay after some thought I did replace "Christian Fundamentalism" with "Anti-Catholicism" as an Alamo category. As explained I think that's more descriptive and useful in understanding his legacy or significance. If there's an objection to that change though I am open to hearing it. Really, changing it back would be easy if there's good reason to do so.--T. Anthony 10:59, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
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- He is still fiercely anti-Catholic, and it does appear to be one of the planks of his philosophy. He actually thought the Soviet Union was run from the Vatican. --MacRusgail 15:04, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
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I just peeled one of his leaflets off the windshield of my car an less than an hour ago in a Wal-Mart parking lot. Apparently his organization has got 12-year-old kids out there distrubuting them as I speak. So I looked on here to find out who he really was. Thank you Wikipedia. LOL. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 22:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
I suggest we move the paragraph under Biography that starts with "Alamo's followers sometimes distribute his writings..." to the top section, since it isn't biographical, and it repeats a similar statement at the top. Wake 19:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
[1] listen for yourself
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[edit] To editor User:Narrow is the way
- 1) please sign your posts ~~~~
- 2)You have been adding:
- i)POV material to a contraversial topic repeatedly which constitutes vandalism
- ii)The material you have added looks to have been copied from a website, meaning it contravenes copyright rules for wikipedia.
- 3)I noticed that you blanked this talk page. Do not do that in future, it is considered bad form.
- please direct any problems you have with the page here on the talk page and as a group (with other editors who are interested) we will try to come to a concensus as to how (if there is a way) to solve the problem. Dave 17:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV
Since people can't agree on an edit. I've slapped a NPOV template up. Before making any more edits please read this page Wikipedia:NPOV_tutorial. Hopefully we can come to a consensus on what should be included in the article.GWatson • TALK 23:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NOT misleading summaries
The edits are FACTS with DATES and detailed information.
the version yellowmellow45 is malicious slandous LIES. yellowmellow45 is not neutral, but biased and opinionated, subverting the reader to HIS personal attacks against a living person.
this is a grave injustice.
the other discussions from T. anthony and Mac Rusgail Should be removed from the discussion page as they have NOTHING to do with the article, they are person opinionated attacks against a living person, a US citizen, that has rights under the Constitution of the United States.
They need to take their personal attacks to some trashy forum.
Narrow is the way 19:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
As of yet, you haven't actually listed clearly what the lies are. Instead you've been spouting off about other editors and using language which would almost disqualify you from any attempt at NPOV. You have been doing an awful lot of slander yourself, so let's not get hypocritical (just look at what you wrote above). As for the so-called character assassination, Alamo comes off quite lightly in my opinion. But I am, however glad that you are using the talk page now. Dave 07:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC) ---
What you say is again NOT true. Yes the lies you are spouting have been aswered, but you won't read them! You are putting in your NEGATIVE opinions, personally attacking and that is NOT neutral, you don't qualify if you are getting paid to do this. Narrow is the way 20:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Make a list, here, on this page, below, point by point of the specific lies you think are being told. I would remind you that you shouldn't direct your attacks to editors or use an aggresive tone as you have been told on numerous occasions before your last post.Dave 21:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
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1. "In 1989, he fled Saugus after he was charged with abusing the 11 yr old child of a follower at the group commune in Santa Clarita Valley, and eluded capture"
Charges were filed and the child was removed from the compound. Source:http://www.skepticfiles.org/cultinfo/alamo.htm There have been numerous reports of abuse from former members of the Alamo cult. Source: http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/18619/25913.html?1163682122 Source: http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/18619/25940.html?1163682328
He never abused anybody-
In January of 1988, the child was at the center of a custody battle between his mother, a member of Alamo’s church, and his father, Carey Miller who had left the church.
Miller had abandoned the mother and the child, and according to the church, had embezzled church funds. Nonetheless, the father's accusations prompted a March of 1988 raid on the Saugus community, in which 60 Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies took the child and confiscated church property to be used as evidence. The raid turned up no evidence and the prosecutors initially declined to file charges
The charges were dropped because the brothers were removed from the compound. That's all the family wanted. Source: http://www.skepticfiles.org/cultinfo/alamo.htm
1. The charges were dropped because they were false. You can not have a neutral biography, if you don't include that the charges were Dropped!
2. the comment in italics and the following lines are from a newspaper that had it worded so, you are guilty before you get a fair trial. How many times have you seen the new media attack someone, over and over and over until they get you to believe what they will? The news media was pushing the side of the embezzeler that brought false accusations to elude prosecution.
This case was never brought to trial, and the California district attorney formally dropped the charges.
3. you don't explain why they left the property or even why his wife's body was relocated to a cemetery.
The U.S. Marshall's and TV 5 planned to desecrate the grave.
Would you sit idle while your spouse or your loved ones grave is desecrated?
The big story here is that they said in refering to opening the grave, "I don't know if it's legal or not, but we're going to do it anyway".
The literature is distributed every day.
I'll will answer more later. Narrow is the way
The Ministry built homes, schools, cafeteria, and Churches for services for the people to use and live in. The property belonged to 20 people in the Ministry and the Federal government agents walked up on the property and told the people that lived there to get off the property, this is now taken over and the government put everyone on the street. The government sold the property that was worth millions for pennies on the dollar.
2 brothers by the name of Miller had stolen $200,000 dollars from the Church and left the Church. To avoid prosecuction for theft, they made the false accusation against several people that the boy Justin Miller by your words:"could not sit down without a pillow for 2-3 weeks" after having been spanked. The truth about the civil lawsuit you refer to.
more laterNarrow is the way 21:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Recent edits by Toitd
User:Toitd recently edited this article to make sure that it provided a pro-Alamo POV in violation of WP:NPOV. While I reverted the changes, I wanted to post here for a different reason. Toitd added the full name of the child supposedly abused at the direction of Alamo. I have no idea whether this is legal or not, but I believe that the names of alleged victims of child abuse are under seal in many courts. At the very least, it seems in bad taste to reveal the name of a possible victim of child abuse on Wikipedia. I'm strongly opposed to censorship on Wikipedia, but given the nature of Toitd's edits, it is possible that the name of the child is being added here merely as some attempt at a form of retribution toward the child or his/her family. Perhaps the revisions should be deleted entirely. · j·e·r·s·y·k·o talk · 22:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- Since the version of the article relevant to my comment above was reverted to again, I did a small amount of research on my initial hypothesis about the identity of alleged child abuse victims. The Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act apportions U.S. federal grant money to states that comply with its provisions. Every state has complied with the Act's provisions. One provision of the Act requires states to pass laws to keep records relating to child abuse reports and proceedings confidential. Thus, it seems that revealing more than has been published in reliable sources regarding the alleged abuse incident concerning Alamo could potentially be illegal. No reliable source has printed the child's name. Thus, I think the relevant versions of the article should be deleted, references to the name on this talk page should be removed, and appropriate action taken against the offending user(s). · j·e·r·s·y·k·o talk · 18:20, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know, I do have oversight capability but I'm not willing to delete the sections on your say so alone. A debate with the wider community is needed. However the two users who are reverting have clearly got thier information from here and they are certainly violating copyright but cutting and pasting sections from that article. If they continue I am willing to protect the article because of this. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 18:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] External links
Why are certain external links being deleted because they are considered "not within the Wikipedia guidelines"? I refer to the following links:
http://www.factnet.org/factnetcgi/discus/discus.cgi Former members discuss the abuse at the hands of Alamo,
http://www.tonyalamochurch.com/ A website that details biography and legal history of Alamo Ministries,
http://www.armfulofhelp.org/index.htm A website that exposes Alamo Ministries bogus charity organization used to fund his radical propaganda. It also details eyewitness accounts of abuse in the cult group,
http://tapolygamy.blogspot.com/ A blog that posted Tony Alamo's tract entitled "The Polygamists" written by Alamo while in prison,
http://tainformation.blogspot.com/ Another blog that posted an informative tract, found on a car windshield, written by Former Members, Concerned Citizens and Children Born and Raised in the Alamo cult that details what the "World Pastor" has been up to (behind the compound doors) for all of these many years.
The Polygamists tract is word-for-word from a tract Tony Alamo wrote. The factnet discussion board is a place where actual members and former members of this cult group post detailed accounts of what happened in the group. How can the other websites that use eyewitness testimony to back up their accounts of abuse not be considered? People have come forward to testify about what this "World Pastor" has done to them and it is not being considered valid? How is this possible?
Does anyone else want these sites posted to the external links?
Does anyone object? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by InSearchOfTheTruth (talk • contribs).
