Talk:Tom and Jerry (MGM)

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[edit] Old talk

I don't get it, why should anybody care about theories from some idiot who thinks Tom & Jerry is made by Walt Disney??

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I removed this:

Though many critics lambasted these shorts due to its substandard animation (when compared to the pre-1958 shorts), the most successful and critically acclaimed of the Deitch/Snyder shorts (and, according to some fans, of the entire Tom & Jerry animated output) was Carmen Get It!, a spoof on Bizet's famous opera, Carmen. Here, Tom conducts a symphony orchestra prepared to perform Carmen when Jerry gets in the way, eventually taking over the entire stage and leading to a climactic crescendo.

The article is focusing on the overall history and development of Tom and Jerry. An in-depth synopis of a Gene Dietch era T&J cartoon is unnccessary in this article, when the only other cartoon that is so encapsulated is "Puss Gets The Boot" (and the only reason that one is is to set up the idea/plot/elements of the Tom & Jerry series. I will make a T&J filmography page, with breakout links for certain, and this information will resurface there.

Also, this bit: (and, according to some fans, of the entire Tom & Jerry animated output) is an opinion, specific to person and region and isn't relevant to an encyclopedia article on Tom & Jerry.

--b. Touch 17:04, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think the name "Tom and Jerry" had been used for some other cartoon characters prior to these.

You are in fact right. See the article at Tom and Jerry (Van Beuren). They're a human Mutt and Jeff like pair from early 1930s black and white sound cartoons. --b. Touch 20:23, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The article describes Tom as a "tabby cat". Surely that means a female cat, which he wasn't, he actually had girlfriends. Or is this some difference between British and US English? PatGallacher 15:02, 2005 Apr 19 (UTC)

In U.S. English, "tabby" refers to a spotted sort of cat, with disytinctive markings. See [1]. Tom looks very much like a simplified version of that cat. --FuriousFreddy 16:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm not persuaded, though; to me, "tabby" has always meant striped or spotted; Tom has a solid gray coat. Check out Dictionary.com--
having a gray or brown streak or a pattern or a patchy coloring; used especially of the patterned fur of cats [syn: brindled, brindle, brinded]
A domestic cat with a striped or brindled coat of a gray or tawny color
Tom's coat seems to be solid which would not make him a tabby in the breeding sense. I think I'm going to go ahead and strike the "tabby"... Dvyost 21:04, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I just watched Puss Gets the Boot on the Cartoon Network and Mammy says "O-U-T Out!" not "O-U-W-T Out!" like the article says. Is the article incorrect, or was it an edit in later years? --Borgendorf 03:04, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tom and Jerry series guide

All versions of Tom and Jerry are covered in enough detail here. The only reason to make such an article would be to include a filmography and episode guide. If you are seeking to expand information on the television versions of Tom and Jerry, write the expanded information first (on a temp page somewhere), and then make the article. Do not do a direct copy and paste of the exact same information.

Furthermore, all versions of Tom and Jerry should always redirect to the main article, and not to a series guide. --FuriousFreddy 03:02, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

The Tom and Jerry cartoons has much violence than others, the article mentions it all with the cat and mouse team. But, no any other cartoon had that much violence and action, many local TV stations had stopped showing Tom & Jerry. Why should this be shown on Cartoon Network now?

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But what I probably didn't know, is that my pop was tired of Scooby Doo and Charlie Dog! Not only these two, but Bugs Bunny as well. Yes, other people told me they never heard of a show called "Charlie the Disco Dog."

These old violent Tom & Jerry (cat and mouse team) cartoons in which they chase each other, but also they try to hit each other with pies, pans, and golf clubs and bare fists are more worse. The cartoons featured the Great-Dane are gone on television. #*&$$*&&*$*#&# It's so stupid, is they canceled Scooby for Tom & Jerry in the half-hour. Remember, both are all comic character for adults?

[edit] About Filipinos calling Tom and Jerry "Wowowee"

I don't know if it's related or not, but in the Philippines, there is now a game show called Wowowee on the ABS-CBN network. You might still keep the trivia article in there, but the article Wowowee has to be changed from a redirect to an as of yet unwritten article about the game show. --Geopgeop 01:47, 13 October 2005 (UTC)


No we don't! I live in the Philippines and I've never heard anybody here refer to Tom and Jerry as anything but Tom and Jerry. Wowowee is a jologs show. - Justice17

[edit] Error

Turner Entertaiment (Time Warner group) has got the OLD library. Only MGM (Sony/Comcast) can create NEW cartoons with Tom and Jerry. You can correct this error...

That is not an error. Time Warner own all rights to Tom and Jerry, and only Time Warner, Turner Ent., or Warner Bros can make anything relating to Tom and Jerry. --FuriousFreddy 12:58, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
Case in point... The "Tom and Jerry Kids" show was produced by Turner/HB in 1990, and Cartoon Network Studios released a new T&J short in 2000. --EmiOfBrie 10:42, 16 October 2005 (CDT)
If Time Warner owns MGM's characters... Why is MGM producing new films and cartoons with 'Pink Panther'?
The Pink Panther was never an MGM character; he has always been owned by United Artists, who did not sell the rights to the character to Turner (UA is now a part of MGM). Also, those films are not about a cartoon character, but about a "Pink Panther" diamond and a detective. --FuriousFreddy 23:46, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dangerous When Wet

No mention of the Tom and Jerry appearance with Esther Williams? I'm surprised, especially since it was included in the first WB Home Video "Spotlight Collection" box set. --JohnDBuell | Talk 18:20, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

It was there, somehow it got removed. It's back now. --FuriousFreddy 23:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The War

Switch the names of protagonists of this 1941 cartoon, and you get a Feldgrau Jerry chasing after a khaki-colored Tom. Curious coincidence... Bastie 03:50, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Recently added: Jerry (WWII) --Kickstart70 18:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the naming coincidence of British and Nazi soldiers, I contacted the owner of tomandjerrycartoon.com who I would consider extremely knowledgeable on the subject. His words are:
In all the books by Hanna and Barbera and many other authorities I have never seen any of your suggestions mentioned.
Hanna and Barbera created the series and were at first torn between a "fox and dog" or "cat and mouse," two natural adversaries.
They settled on a cat and mouse but they were nameless during the creation. In the first cartoon "Puss gets the Boot", 1940, the cat 
was named Jasper and the mouse had no name at all... even in the storyboards. I have no idea where Wikipedia got the name "Jinx" for
Jerry. Since the cartoon did well a competition was held between studio personnel. "Hundreds of names, in all conceivable 
combinations, were submitted. The winning combination, 'Tom & Jerry,' was passed over at least 50 times before it was finally 
chosen."(quote from the book "50 Years of Cat and Mouse" by T.R. Adams). The contest winner (who received no prize) was fellow 
animator Jack Carr. Bill Hanna said "I don't honestly know how we settled on Tom and Jerry." I think the military stuff is 100% 
conjecture.
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It should be noted that another "Tom and Jerry" cartoon series had been made by Van Beuren Studios from 1931-1933, but without a cat 
and mouse. It was 26 episodes of the silly antics of two guys, one tall and skinny and one short and fat. MGM personnel surely knew 
of this other cartoon name but whether that had any influence on why the names "Tom & Jerry" won the final round of voting will
never be known.
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I hope that helps a little. This info was pulled from the sources "Tom and Jerry - The Definitive Guide to their Animated 
Adventures" by Patrick Brion, "Of Mice and Magic - A History of Animated Cartoons" by Leonard Maltin, and the T.R. Adams book cited
above.
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By the way, in the Wikipedia I quickly saw an error. It states that Tom lip-syncs "Louis Jordan's "Is You Is Or Is You Ain't My
Baby" in the 1946 short Solid Serenade. That is not Louis Jordan singing that song. That song version was sung by an unknown MGM 
studio musician.

I think, given this new information, we can safely put to bed the rumour that this was the naming scheme for the cat and mouse. Someone want to take on the other fixes and edits with this info? --Kickstart70·Talk 19:47, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tom &jerry

The page need comlite list of Tom and Jerry episodes.

[edit] public domain?

on public domain torrents.com i've seen public domain tom&jerry cartoon. how's that possible? --Running 00:22, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

They may be Van Beuren's Tom and Jerry cartoons from the early 1930s, and not the M-G-M cat'n'mouse. --FuriousFreddy 02:15, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
Yes, you are true, they are. --Running 17:36, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mammy Two-Shoes

The article states that Mammy Two-Shoes was Tom's owner but then later says she was the maid who was recasted as a white lady. If I remeber correctly, Mammy Two-Shoes was always the maid and played a seperate character from the white lady who employed Mammy Two-Shoes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.165.209.92 (talk • contribs) .

Well, there's no evidence that suggests Mammy was a maid employed by a white lady, and not really much evidence that she was the owner of the house either. I would say the Mammy character was indeed replaced/recasted - the Supreme Court declared racisism unconstitutional, the studio stopped using her in 1952 and by 1954 the only humans present in the cartoons were a white yuppie-style couple, and by 1955/1956, their faces were visible. Any cartoons reissued that featured the Mammy character had her rotoscoped out and replaced with a slim, white female. --User:MartinP1983 09:27, 27 January 2005

[edit] Title Card

I like that title card from the 40s (the first image in the article), but I have never seen it before (and I've seen every T&J cartoon from '40 to '67). What cartoon(s) did it come from?

It's not used on reissue prints seen nowadays. It was originally used during the mid-1940s. --FuriousFreddy 06:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tom and Jerry in foreign countries

Perhaps this section could use a less U.S.-centric title? 217.155.20.163 18:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Censorship rubbish

i cant belive that some idiot complained about the smoking in tom and jerry and i cant further belive that boomerang are caving in to this moaning person.. i have watched tom and jerry since i kid, and i still do... and i am a non smoker. i think starlin has come back from the dead and come back as a moaning viewer, if he/she doesnt like the cartoons that was done in the 40's 50's which i think is importent message to children about the changing attitudes towards smoking.. then she doesnt have to watch it.

the world doesnt need another mary whitehouse

Thank you for your anon comment (!) However, the talk page section is designed to discuss improvements to the article or rectifications. Your comment could be cleaned up and put into the article, so long as it fits in with Wikipeida critera. -Dynamo_ace Talk

[edit] Disambiguation

i was wondering, if people look up tom and jerry, the majoirty would be looking for the cartoon, i was unware of the other terms that contained it.. (learn something new every day) if thats the case (dont know how to find out) when people put tom and jerry in search it comes up with this by defalut and within the article have "other uses Disambiguation"

[edit] Just to warn users

The article is 32KB long, if you have any plans to improve the article now would be the time. -Dynamo_ace Talk

[edit] Soundtrack

I came to Tom and Jerry's wikipedia page looking for some information on the musics that played in the episodes, but unfortunately I found nothing... I'm specially interested in some music style that was used for some time - some kind of rock music with electronic instruments. If someone has some information about the background musics I would appreciate! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.27.137.144 (talk) 04:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

I was looking for classical music in the various Tom and Jerry episodes but didn't find the answer here. However, there is a very good list at the informal Tom and Jerry website. I will try to refer to this and add a section on the music, but if someone else wants to do this in the meanwhile, please. Cribananda 05:52, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Itchy & Scratchy

Should it be mentioned that the cartoon "Itchy & Scratchy" which is a cartoon within "The Simpsons" Is directly taken from "Tom & Jerry"

[edit] Satire

  • At least once "Tom and Jerry" ventured into satire-one 1960's cartoon shows our heros in Hollywood become "stunt doubles" for stars "Tom and Jerry." Of course our heros get clobbered doing all the stunts!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.53.145.93 (talk) 02:54, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] "Conspiracy theory" T&J - Jewish by Iranian orator

See this post at The Times Comment central. An Iranian orator (?) claims that Walt Disney's (sic) Tom & Jerry were intended to "change" the image Westerners had on Jewish people. --Julián Ortega - drop me a message 22:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

See also [2]. Frankly I'm in two minds as to whether this sort of crap should even be included in the main Tom & Jerry article. Wikipedia is meant to be "encyclopaedic" in scope but there must be some limits! Csrster 08:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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