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It says Charles WOodson got the sack on Brady during that "Tuck RUle" game, thats not true. If he got the sack, it would have been a fumble. Becasue it was not a sack (as it was an incomplete pass), the ruling was not a fumble.

Shouldn't the caption be 2002 Superbowl MVP? He won for the 2001-2002 season. --Madchester 00:04, 2005 Apr 18 (UTC)

The caption is correct. He won the Super Bowl MVP during the 2001 season for throwing for 150 yards.


Umm, the season runs from 2001-2002... it's even presented that way on the New England Patriots page for Superbowl victories. And it's indicated that Brady was Super Bowl MVP for 2002. Anyway, where's the details of his 2002-2003 season? --Madchester 05:23, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

  • Superbowls are named after the year in which the season STARTS. For example, the patriots won the 2004 superbowl, even though it was played in 2005. It can't be named the 2005 superbowl, since the 2005 season started in septmber 2005.

Brady has won the 2001,2003 and 2004 superbowls <<Coburn_Pharr>> 00:37, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Yet the Super Bowl MVP article lists him as the 2002 and 2004 MVP. Which makes more sense, given the fact that the Superbowl wins took place in those respective calendar years. Likewise, the Super Bowl XXXIX article indicates that it was the "2005 title game". Hell, even the Superbowl XXXIX logo indicates the year (2005) that the event took place. It's no different than the naming conventions for the NBA and NHL, which also span two calendar years.--Madchester 05:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Quoting the Wikiproject NFL,
For playoffs after the AFL-NFL Merger, the year should be in the form 20xx-yy. This is a compromise between die hard and casual fans. 
Prior to the 1980s, most of the playoff games were in December. Currently, they are all in January and sometimes February. As a 
result, many die hard fans still consider the playoffs leading to Super Bowl XXXIX as the 2004 playoffs while many casual fans call
it the 2005 playoffs.
Thusly, the seasons as wholes, as well as playoffs, should be reffered to as 2001-2002, 2003-2004, and 2004-2005. I'll make these changes now.82.83.45.230 16:43, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Ok, who is not a Brady fan? NOBODY! He led his team to a victory in superbowl XXXVI (was it 36?). You can check him out on www.nfl.com. In the NFL site you can find any info you want about the players or any team in the NFL. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.156.6.60 (talk • contribs).

This article wreaks of POV issues. Mithotyn 10:11, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Do you have to use the word "legendary" when speaking about Lloyd Carr? Hardly a "legendary" coach - WAR Ohio State beating Michigan 25-21, November 19th, 2005 (Four out of the last five, baby) T.J. Swartz

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[edit] POV

The professional abilities section is POV. I will delete it in 48 hours unless somebody objects. Deckiller 22:22, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

....Which section? Are we talking about Debate? I can't find one called "professional abilities." so, until i know what you're talking about, i object. --jfg284 you were saying? 13:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
It was already taken down; I figured that if someone felt strongly, they would just revert. Deckiller 20:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Aright, whatever...I actually didn't object 'til I noticed that I couldn't find it. I remember thinking it was POV when I read it, but when I read your message I thought I might be able to work through it. Reading it again, though, you're absolutely right in giving it the axe. --jfg284 you were saying? 20:43, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Postseason Pass Attempts Per Interception

just the facts: Tom Brady is number two overall when one considers Jake Delhomme's 78.5 pass attempts without interception. however, Delhomme's only attempted 157 passes. opinions?

I think we should put something like LIMIT: 250 passes. That way, Jake still has a chance this season to get up there with Brady, but not before the full postseason is over. Deckiller 03:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

word. i think i actually might've started this discussion! that's loony. either way, Delhomme's stats aren't the best anymore (38.4 PAPI in postseason). Brady again is King! my New England bias will never taint my submissions.

[edit] Delete marriage "info"

The added entry on a 2004 marriage is part of a hoax that is currently the subject of an AfD -- see Adriana Brady. Claims include she is an American Idol judge, etc. Clearly nonsense. —ERcheck @ 16:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Getting this article Featured

I've been throwing around a few ideas here and there; y'know, ways to improve this article. However, I don't know if it will pass FA because it's such a current article. We might be able to get it to at least good article status. Deckiller 20:23, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

i have a few ideas, too. one thing kinda bugs me:"he threw for 400 yards". Orange Bowl game is referred to here; just wondering if there are any more stats(passes attempted/completed/intercepted/sacks) that could be used there, and given that, where to find them.

also, the first 131+ passes of Tom Brady's career went without interception; he threw his first against Denver and once i find out how many passes he attempted before the first pick in that game, i'll have something in that section detailing his first season.--Nod 06:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on making the career stats section look better, I'm trying to make it look like the one on John Elway Cryomaniac 11:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Information

Isn't the comment about him almost playing for the 49ers irrelevant, unless they were planning on taking him since every team would have passed up on him at least 5 times before? I will delete it in 24 hours if no one disagrees.

[edit] Info

My class is doing a Report on famous people that have something to do with Michigan. I chose you to do my report on because you went to a michigan collage. I shall need a bit of info on you so i can do my Report.

[edit] Debate

Removed Debate section as unsourced, POV, original research. --MichaelZimmer (talk) 14:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it was kind of a silly section, even though I actually contributed to it. The question of who is or is not the quote-unquote "best" quarterback is ultimately irrelevant. Peyton Manning and Brady are both very, very good quarterbacks who play for very good teams. And Brady was the quarterback on 3 Super Bowl winning teams, and won two Super Bowl MVP awards, in his just first five seasons in the league (and just his first 4 as a starter): that is an amazing accomplishment for any quarterback, good, bad or mediocre! Hopefully Manning and Brady will keep this debate going for years to come by continuing their record of success. --User:TimothyHorrigan Timothy Horrigan 20:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Re-Review and In-line citations

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[edit] Source

Provided source for "many consider Brady to already be a future Hall of Famer", the source being Sports Illustrated's Paul Zimmerman, the quote being "Brady is the ultimate warrior, and he's a double yes for first ballot and my vote," the URL being http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/dr_z/07/26/drz0723/1.html. It does however seem to be showing up twice down in the References section despite my best efforts, so sorry for that. Thedoorhinge 02:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Charlie Weis Comment

Although funny, this seems pretty much out of whack. Hence the POV tag.

[edit] 21-game win streak stats

hi. i figured i should've added them. that PAPI number is insane. took the numbers from pro-football-reference.com, and the only one that feels iffy is the passer rating. i was under the impression that sacks were taken into account, but the calculator i used had no such field.Nosirrah Yendor 18:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Tom Brady is the most amazing athlete who has ever lived. People like to say Marino or Favre are the best quarterbacks ever because the have stats that are impecible. If you look at Tom Brady a 29 year old man who has won three Super Bowls and probably will win another this year, the decision is clear. Who cares if he had a good defense? Favre had a great running back in 1996 who won them a championship, not to mention the great play of Desmond Howard. Marino has the stats because he threw the ball more than any other quarter back in the history of the game and still has no ring- He's a bum. Brady on the other hand doesn't throw the ball nearly as much, throws many touchdowns, hardly any picks, and has led the league in passing. Although he was passed up for the pro-bowl this year so that a mediocre Philip Rivers could make it, Brady is definately the best player the Nfl has ever seen. And Brett Favre likes men.


[edit] Pay cut?

I heard Brady took a pay cut for the Patriots, but I can't seem to find a source for this. Anyone have more information about this? --W3stfa11 19:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More POV

"Widely regarded as the greatest postseason quarterback of his generation"? While that is probably true, it's also POV, particularly given that that statement appears without a citation and in the lede. It reads like a lead-in for a sports-talk-radio hour. Brady's record speaks for itself, without the puffery. 69.7.203.153 23:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Passer Rating

This article states Tom Brady has the record for the single game passer rating. Though he did achieve this, it should be noted he shares this honor with other quarterbacks

[edit] "Family Guy character" category?

I know he appeared in an episode, but he's the only actual person in the category- the rest are fictional characters from the show. He probably shouldn't be in the category, but I wanted to confirm this with other Wikipedians before simply removing it. Tozoku 23:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I did you the favor of removing the category. There's a separate list of guest stars. W3stfa11/Talk to me 04:40, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michigan Stats

I want to get in and add brady's Michigan statistics and accomplishments. Notably, him setting the record for most completions (214) in a season. Michigan10 01:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


His Michigan career statistics are:

Career Totals

Attempts: 711 Completions: 443 Completion Percentage: 62.3 TD: 35 Int: 19 Total Yards: 5351 Yards/Completions 12.1

Michigan10 02:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

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