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[edit] Proposed diversification of articles

I propose we split the Toheart article into several new articles similar to what we see in Bleach, so that we end up with:

1) ToHeart

2) List of ToHeart Characters

3) ToHeart (anime)

4) ToHeart (audio CDs)

The reason for this is that I am certain each section has more content to be added, which will push the size of this page even further away the 34 kb "limit". I moot that the original ToHeart be used to focus more on the game, and be used to redirect people to the other new pages. Karn-b 16:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok so what pages should be made? I agree with everything except the games, I'll explain in my proposal for page names:
  1. A ToHeart page that acts as a general information page. It would have full content on History, Manga and Book and Character designs and would link to the other articles which would be:
  2. ToHeart_(game series) - I know you didn't list this but if we're splitting the article then this section is big enough for its own article too.
  3. ToHeart_(anime)
  4. List of ToHeart characters
  5. List of ToHeart music
What do you think, are the names of the article ok? Initially we can leave the game information in the main ToHeart article and if its still big, or gets bigger in future, it can be separated - Squilibob 01:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


Sounds good! So you mean the original Toheart page will contain summarised info, with links to respective articles?

I am planning to write about each character's seperate scenario in the game, but that will take a long time, if it ever happens at all. I do agree, though that the game section needs its own article.

Also, if we were to give the game it's own section, should we be calling it a 'series' though, as there was actually only one main game? Although I can see how you can justify it as there were several versions. What do you think? If we were to use the word 'series' in the game, we would need to include it in the the title for anime (ie 'anime series') for consistency - in this case perhaps we should just call it 'game' (plural or singular...?) and 'anime' so that it's easier to find.

I'm not too sure about using the word "music" though, as there are quite a number of ToHeart drama CDs out there, which is why I originally used the word 'audio CDs'. Is there a better option you can think of which would emcompass all categories? I was originally thinking of using the word 'discography' (sp?), but it seems a bit cumbersome....

And just as a footnote, if people are up to it, perhaps we should do the same thing for ToHeart2?

Karn-b 13:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Well actually maybe we should have a ToHeart series page that has the summarised info, with links to respective articles. It could link to both ToHeart game and anime and ToHeart 2 game and anime - all as separate pages. Sort of what I've helped do with Ojamajo Doremi series although ToHeart is more complicated. I'll make a temporary page in my user page namespace for you to look at what I'm proposing. I'll put it at User:Squilibob/ToHeart series - Squilibob 13:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
And Audio CDs seems like a sensible choice for the page name for the reasons you have suggested. As for the infobox, I've created a mock page for that too. It'll need some improvements but here is what it looks like for now. - Squilibob 15:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I see. We should also then add a seperate section for ToHeart2 Audio CDs to complete the circle.

I agree with the ToHeart series page, but since ToHeart and ToHeart2 are distinct games, maybe we should maintain the individual ToHeart and ToHeart2 pages so that we can cover everything related to them. So in essence, we would have:

1) ToHeart Series

similar to an index page as you proposed

2) ToHeart

containing brief info on game, anime and characters, while maintaining full info on other sections such as books, merchandise and so-forth

3) ToHeart (anime)

4) ToHeart (game)

5) List of ToHeart characters

6) List of ToHeart Audio CDs

7) ToHeart2

same idea as above - a page where we can continue to maintain info on other related things besides the game, anime and characters

8) ToHeart2 (anime)

9) ToHeart2 (game)

10) List of ToHeart2 Characters

11) List of ToHeart2 Audio CDs

How does that sound?

Karn-b 18:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually keeping ToHeart and ToHeart2 pages separate is a better idea and we won't need the ToHeart series page in that case because the two articles can be linked to each other the way they are doing so now. It'll also be easier to maintain.
Also I think the names of the pages are fine but looking at other anime articles, not many use List of characters from xxxxx or List of xxxxx characters. Maybe Characters from ToHeart would be fine to use, since it seems to be the common method. - Squilibob 00:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Come to think of it, wouldn't be naming it something like "ToHeart Characters" be shorter? The same could go for the other sections, such as ToHeart Audio CDs or ToHeart Game. Perhaps a dash would make it clearer, as opposed to brackets? ie ToHeart - Game

Karn-b 07:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Well there's pages like Naruto (anime and manga) and Full Moon (manga) that seem to use the brackets. I think it is convention to name pages like that, though I guess we can name them how we want - Squilibob 07:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I suppose we should stick with established conventions then. Shall we get started?

Karn-b 07:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok as long as you're fine with all the names of the pages. - Squilibob 07:49, 12 March 2006 (UTC) I've made a start on splitting the pages. It's more tidy but work will need to be done to improve each article. --Squilibob 10:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Apologies for not getting back earlier. The changes look good so far. I'll be making modifications to the articles with more content upload over the next few days. Is the infobox functional on the main ToHeart and ToHeart2 pages yet? I think that the main pages also need a more obvious title and brief description on the game and anime, with a link to the actual full article. That might make it more clear to those who are quickly looking for something.

Karn-b 16:00, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by infobox -- Squilibob 00:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Did it. Will be doing it for ToHeart2 tomorrow...will be adding some more information to the Audio CD section as well.

Need more pictures in these articles. They look awfully plain right now ^_^

Karn-b 16:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering whether to do that or not, though now that you have done it, it looks good. --Squilibob 00:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Justification of recent changes

I've tried to clean up the arrangement of articles, given that the article is now apparently too long (more than 34 kb) and the contents section is overly-elongated.

I had a chat with the guys over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga, and the character names having their own individual section is makes the contents area very long, which is what prompted the reversion to the original version.

Other changes include:

-The DVD section has been merged with the anime section -The CD section is now divided into two catagories instead of individual CD names -The 'summary' sections have been removed from the anime section. -The introduction has been cut down, and information moved -The books section has been split into Game related and anime related, instead of individual titles

However, the article and the contents page is still much too long...

Karn-b 16:44, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ToHeart Spacing Conventions

I also suggest that we stick to the original ToHeart spacing convention, as seen on official ToHeart websites and Japanese fan sites - that is, no space between ToHeart.

Karn-b 17:40, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree - Squilibob 01:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Revote

I think the issue needs to be brought up again as we now have an official English title with the space.[1] I think it's also interesting to note how the Japanese Wikipedia article uses the space as well. On a final note, I think it's been well established that we can't rely on Engrish grammar standards for naming of our titles (such as in our policy against ALL CAPS).--SeizureDog 11:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Interesting. Although there is an official English title, aren't people have an argument over that now at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga? Although you are correct that the Japanese wiki does use the spacing convention, in all other official sites, including those of Leaf and Aquaplus use the no-spacing technique. I would argue that ToHeart is not Engrish, but rather a stylistic choice by the original creators. In either case, we have functioning redirects so that any searches are routed to the correct page - functionally, it would make no difference. Karn-b 17:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it would make little difference, but it still bugs me. In any case, would you object if I did change the titling?--SeizureDog 18:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
While I realise it would make little difference either way, personally I find the original form "ToHeart" to be more accurate. I have been following the series closely since it was first released, and feel that this would be the most accurate representation. Is it really necessary to change it? Karn-b 17:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
We use the English titles here. The English title of this series is "To Heart" as attested by the TRSI press release. Ashibaka (tock) 17:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Since there doesn't seem to be any strong objections, I'm going to start moving them now.--SeizureDog 05:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Seems I got here too late. If we really want to play "official English titles", the ADV manga keeps to ToHeart convention. I have moved them back to "ToHeart", but have kept the changes made to "remember my memories", for reasons as SeizureDog stated. Karn-b 16:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Amusingly, the Japanese title of this article is "To Heart". 137.22.11.221 05:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I pointed that out already. Second sentence.--SeizureDog 05:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
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