Talk:Togakure Ryu

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I've started to play around with the format of the article to try and improve it. Thus far, I've simply removed the bias from the first line, and moved the sources to the end (adding my own source).

I've left the 'unverified' tag, as I haven't checked the specifics of the history, nor the techniques themselves (given that I don't know much of the Togakure-ryu).

As for the kyoketsu-shoge having no formal techniques, I shall have to verify that as well. I've trained in some techniques for it, but whether they're actually from densho for it, or simply applications of "kara-te" taijutsu to the weapon, requires checking it.

--Sasuke Sarutobi 02:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

There was no bias on the first line; it must be said somewhere in this article that the "history" of Togakure ryu herein is derived only from sources inside Bujinkan. In particular, there does not exist any secondary sources by academic historians that acknowledge even the existence of Togakure-ryu before Meiji restauration and Takamatsu's time, much less a history dating several centuries before the amalgamation of the very first koryūs known to historians. Katori Shinto-ryu is barely 600 years old. In fact, the dating "c. 800 years" ago places the birth of Tokagure-ryu earlier in history that the birth of ryū-ha itself as a political institution. See e.g. Friday: Legacies of the Sword or G. Cameron Hurst III's books about the origins and meaning of ryū-ha system (the Wikipedia article is quite naive and need rewriting). jni 18:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Some edits I made. . .

I removed the "Dr." in front of Dr. Masaaki Hatsumi. His doctorate was awarded by what was found to be a diploma mill, and even before that fact became publicly known, Hatsumi asked people to stop referring to him as Dr.

I changed a bit of the formatting as well as correcting how some paragraphs were constructed in respect to the Japanese words being used. The grammar needed to be touched up a little bit as well.

More edits need to be done to bring a more neutral stance to the page. This info is all Bujinkan sourced. There is more information on Togakure ryu available from other sources. If anyone feels so inclined they may research Togakure ryu's connection to Kukishin ryu. There is also connection to amatsu tatara.

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[edit] More edits...

I tightened up the shape of the formal techniques among other things like a general cleanup, but this time around no time for citations follow up or attributing the Bujinkan Dojo martial arts organization as the main source. Julia Rossi 01:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC)