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To-do list for TISM: edit  · history  · watch  · refresh
  • clear up the unsourced statements (14 left - still too many)
  • intergrate "non sequitur" section into main article or more relevant
  • add pictures for second half
  • add or move basic information about their anon/psuedonymity higher

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[edit] Years Active

The Article SAYS, that TISM retired in 2004, as Hitler-Barassi said that the band was too tired to continue their wild pranks. The Years Active said 1984-present, but if the article says that they retired in 2004, it should read Years Active: 1984-2004. I fixed that for now, but if there is proof that they're still active, post a reason why it should read 1984-present, instead of just changing it back.

Yes, that is what the article says, however the band have not said "We have split up for good" and neither has their record label. Until that happens, I am reasonably secure in the thought that they are still a band who are "together", reasons for this include the fact that after The White Albun "Save Our TISM" concert, the band didn't rase enough money to stay together and hence "split up" at the end of the show. However, the DVD-Rom has a .pdf with a bunch of lyrics which chronicles growing frustrations within the band then their split and eventual re-formation stating "TISM are back". Add to this the fact that they played at Earthcore in 2005 and the fact that the "Save our TISM" concert was recorded in 2003 and they were together for all of 2004, would also lead me to beleive that they did not split up, but they are meerly taking one of their long hiatus's which they are known to do. A look at http://www.tism.com.au/tourdates/index.html will show TISM have performed, on average, only 15 gigs a year. Some years none. So them not playing gigs at the moment does not make them a now defunct band. Also, this quote from Humphrey seems to satify any doubt as to whether TISM will return:
"It’s a little bit like a continually dislocating shoulder (if) you’ve done it once there is always the fear that you will do it again. There is a weakness in the joint. So it is with TISM. ... indeed we will keep coming back. The improvements in medical technology over the years will ensure that it is quite possible that we will be working well into the next century. So every three years like a recurring bout of dyspepsia you will see us." [1]
and this quote, from a fan (amidst all the other 'have they split up' speculation) reads:
"I know a guy who is in TISM. They haven't split, there all just doing other things and leaving the possibility open to more gigs down the line. I think he said they have a book coming out." [2]
That post was from "Apr 05, 06" which looks positive to me.
As for the note in the article which says 'TISM are "too tired" to continue their wild pranks and their current status could best be described as retirement' seems to be more along the lines of a flowery prose than an encyclopaedic entry. The interview from Jay And The Doctor which that "too tired" Ron Hitler-Barassi quote supposedly came from is not availiable at the Triple J website, and as such, unverifiable. The evedence that TISM seem to be a band which have not split up, in my opinion, outweighs the evedence to say TISM have actually split up.
In light of this information, I beleive the article to be correct in saying their status is 1982-present and until substantial evedence to the contrary is proven, I beleive it should continue to say 1982-present.
Gohst 13:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Theres a video clip 'message from TISM' going around which seems to be a promo for the white albun. It lists a bunch of dates for which they were supposed to tour on (was also on the website). I know the Byron Bay, Gold Coast and Brisbane gigs didnt happen. Does anyone know if the Melbourne (Hifi bar) and Sydney (Metro) gigs happened? From Jul - Aug 2006.Theinnerexits 12:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

If you mean this video, its from 2004. According to the tism tourdates section of their website (now offline) there were around 10or so gigs in 2004. So far I havent heard of anything from TISM this year. The video hasn't got a year date on it, but its safe to assume its from around the time of The White Albun's release (2004) and the tour happened at that same time. Gohst 23:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Gohst I didnt realise the info on the website was that old....kinda assumed it was this year....might explain why the dates and days didnt match up.... damnit. Cheers for the info, regards.--Theinnerexits 09:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

Should there be a "Quotes" section for things which they've said during interviews?

Oh yes. Either here, or on Wikiquote. Regards, Ben Aveling 08:51, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Member Pages

I've noticed all the members now have links to their own pages. Do they need their own pages, or should the links be returned to plain text? Gohst 07:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, nobody seems to care and I can see no reason why the members of TISM should have their own pages (because they're anonymous!) so I'm reverting the links to plain text. Gohst 07:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stage Names Query

The line in the article "though it should be noted there have only ever been seven members of the band; clearly, names have been switched" seems to have no solid evedence. I don't think it's true, I think band members left for whatever reason they had. Family, career, boredom, etc. and a new member with a new stage name was introduced. If there is any proof of this being true, I'll leave it there but for now I'm taking it away. For example, in the FasterLouder interview at the bottom of the main atricle, Humphrey admits Leak Van Vlalen was "all over Hot Dogma" and he "had to go". And on the fold out cover for www.tism.wanker.com, Leak does not appear. He has been replaced by (I beleive) Tokin Blackman and a casual listen will show the guitar parts to be quite different. Even though a guitarist can definately change his style I think it more likely indicates a change of musician in this case. So in closing, I think the line in the TISM article quoted above is pure poppycock and should be removed. Anyone got any objections? Gohst 07:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I just want to thank you but for using the word poppycock! I was trying to think of that word the other day but couldn't remember it. I was searching for bobbycot and the like lol. DarkSideOfTheSpoon 03:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Definition of Some Members Names

I deleted this information from the article in an edit, if someone feels it can go back in somewhere, feel free to do so. Jon St. Peenis is still missing from the list though.
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Some of the names which TISM members have chosen to name themselves are often quite complex, with some of them linking commonly known items or people to others of a lesser known stature to create a unique and humorous term. Some of their names and what they mean have been:

  • Ron Hitler-Barassi - whose name links the explosively tempered Australian Rules player and coach Ron Barassi with dictator Adolf Hitler (Barassi was also nicknamed "Hitler" by some sections of the public during his career).
  • Humphrey B. Flaubert - linking popular Australian children's TV host Humphrey B. Bear with French novelist Gustave Flaubert.
  • Eugene De La Hot-Croix Bun - linking French painter Eugène Delacroix with a popular Easter snack, the Hot Cross Bun (or "Hot Croix Bun," in French).
  • Tony Coitus - linking actor Tony Curtis and his notorious sexual escapades with Coitus, the term for sexual intercourse.
  • Les Miserables - who takes his name from the novel of the same name. To be said phonetically, to resemble 'Les', a shortening of Leslie or Lester, as opposed to the French pronunciation.
  • Genre B. Goode - linking the term Genre with popular rock song Johnny B. Goode.
  • Tokin' Blackman - a play on the belief that nearly everything has a "Token Black" man. May also be a reference to radio and television presenter John Blackman.

- Gohst 06:11, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TISM members' real names

While it is not documented in this article, the real names of most of the members of TISM are known. When TISM played on John Safran's Music Jamboree, five names appear for TISM in the credits of that episode. It is fair to say that these are their real names.

It is known that Ron Hitler Barrassi has written a book called Campaigning with Grant under his real name (which appears in the credits of Music Jamboree). He has also appeared unmasked on SBS television talking about how an SBS documentary about the US civil war inspired his book.

It is also known that another member of TISM (whose name also appears in the credits of Music Jamboree) writes for the magazines Inside Sport and Australian Traveller.

Provided that sufficient evidence is supplied, does anyone else think that this information should be included in the article?

- HumphreyB 11:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

No. Quite simply no. And I have half a mind to edit your above comment, even though it may get me frowned at quite severely, because the members of TISM do not want their names to be revealed and because of this fact, they should not be revealed by anyone who just wants to be clever here.
Alot of information about a lot of things can be found out if one tries hard enough, but because someone has a license to edit a website freely doesn't mean the information they find should be instantly put up for everyone to gawk at.
Even though alot of people want to know who these guys are in real life doesn't mean everybody does, alot of people enjoy the fact they don't know who they really are and, to be quite blunt about it, the fact of the matter is the people in TISM have invested a lot of time and money into ensuring that the general public does not know who they are. Until their names are revealed by the band themselves, they should remain with the band because that's where they want them to be. They want their names to be private and... well, it just wouldn't be nice to spoil that. Gohst 09:50, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I feel the same way you do. I don't want to spoil the the anonymity of TISM. I like the mysteriousness. Although who's to say what should and should not be published? Why should our beliefs dictate what should be known about TISM? While they have tried to keep their identities secret, they have had their masks ripped off in concert heaps and have appeared unmasked on TV. So they're not entirely self-conscious about it.
The Wikipedia help pages say something related to this:
"Also keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a place to post original research. This means that if you make a new discovery or come up with a new theory, you should find someplace else to post it. What we are about is researching and summarizing ideas and information that have already been publicized elsewhere." [3]
However I don't feel that this is original research. It's not as if I'm the only one who knows this stuff.
By the way, I really don't care if this gets published or not, I just think it was a good topic of discussion. I was wondering if this information was relevant to the article.
HumphreyB 11:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
The poster above got it right, it's original research. Close look at the quoted section and the key word, I beleive is "publicized". Thier names haven't been published and as much double-checking and supporting evedence to show a particular person could be in TISM is hearsay through and through. Their names haven't been published or publicized so a member of TISM could very well be one of The Wiggles or Paul McDermott or any number of people who've been suggested in the past. Unless its based on fact (and its not cause their names havent been released and they wont be) it can't really go in Wikipedia. Gohst 12:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
But some of their names were in the credits of a television show. Doesn't that count for something? HumphreyB 10:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Even though these names appeared in the credits, nothing actually links them to being the seven people who appeared on screen (Although it is obvious, it's not 'proof'.) Furthermore I agree with the arguement that the names should remain anonymous under every circumstance. The most convincing point for me is this: The purpose of the article is to understand TISM. The real names of TISM's members are not needed to understand TISM. In fact, to seek the identities of TISM is to MIS-understand TISM completely. Therefore, such information should never be part of the article. I would like to consolidate the "The Masks" section of the article to express the TISM philosophy and the reason TISM is anonymous, so that hopefully more people 'get' it. 203.47.209.4 07:58, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
This isn't a fan page, or some page they can use to further their careers. Its an encyclopedia entry, and any information that can be confirmed via a reliable source can be included in the article. Purposely censoring the article to maintain an "air of mystique" around the band doesn't serve wikipedia, and that kind of attitude just isn't welcome here.--Crossmr 05:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I totally agree that we should post the names if they've been verified. Sorry, but this is an encyclopedia. If band members have done TV interviews unmasked, then the real issue is: who are you to say that the members' identities should be revealed if the members themselves have done so?
We should definitely put up what's out there rather than lying by saying the band have remained totally anonymous. Besides which, there exist spoiler tags for such content.
What I actually wanted to post is that I believe (on the basis of a review) that Debra Byrne reveals in her autobiography she was once a member. Can anyone confirm this? Leon 01:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

The image which was used at the top of the article was deleted by the people who are in charge of images on wikipedia. Basically if anyone can find a free image of TISM that can go at the top of the article, please do so as soon as possible. Thanks. Gohst 07:53, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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