Talk:Tiny web servers

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The linking you did on tiny web servers is somewhat counterproductive. Most of the links just redirect back to tiny web servers. The page is essentially a device to consolidate enough of these stubs that they can be kept off of AFD (most of the programs were one line stubs frequently nominated for deletion). I know it wasn't intentional but you have created a great deal of circular redirection. :) --Darkfred Talk to me 19:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC) [Copied from User_talk:Fleminra by Fleminra]

Thanks for giving me the benefit of the doubt, but actually all of the changes in question were intentional, and I was actually aware of what articles existed, didn't exist, and were redirects here or elsewhere. By my count, I added 10 new links:
New links to existing articles
Boa (web server), thttpd
New links to non-existant articles
KLone, Lite Netquestion HTTP Web Server, nweb, Simple httpd, TinyWeb
New links to disambiguation pages
Abyss
New links to redirects to this article
SimpleW, Scrinchy
I presume you don't dispute the "productivity" of the first seven of these.
[You didn't mention linking to disambiguation pages, but Wikipedia:Disambiguation, which is "guideline" (not "policy"), suggests that in the absence of a real Abyss (web server) article, Abyss (web server) should redirect to Abyss, and this article should link to that redirect. Since that redirect doesn't presently exist, I linked to the disambiguation page, which is not forbidden by policy or guideline.]
This leaves SimpleW and Scrinchy (and so I respectfully dispute your "most" and "great deal", but that's not important). Ideally these indirect self-links would be rendered by MediaWiki the same as direct self-links (i.e. as bold, and without the HTML link). In this case, the point is half moot, because the names of those servers are already bold as of my revision.
Regards, Fleminra 21:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I will attempt to reply point by point.
  • First, Abyss_Web_Server does exist, but you linked to Abyss. It should probably be renamed to meet the guidelines, but a usefull link is the most important property, if it does get renamed a bot will eventually come along and clean up the unnecessary redirect. (or the renamer can)
  • Second why would you add red links? Do you intend to write the articles? why not just fill in the info on the the tiny web page article. We don't need dozens of 2 sentence articles written about single person open source projects any more than we need red links to nonexistant articles. Its probably better for people to find stub-ish information on the tiny page than to spread the information around. I do understand the viewpoint that a red link is kind of a an encouragment to write the article, but this is a very low interest area of the encyclopedia. Most of this stuff was written by creators of these programs themselves. (although I am not one of them). If you do intend to write decent articles, then by all means ignore everything i wrote above and just do it.
  • For the links to redirects. If media wiki is supposed to be un-linking these then it is broke. Check that version yourself. It just makes working links that return to this page.
  • And finally. I don't want to get into an edit war with you, this page does need some serious help. I really don't care about this page that much, personally, I don't consider this stuff to be very encyclopedic. This was a compromis. If you intend to rework this by moving the pages out into their own stubs they will probably just be back in AFD as NN software. These types of pages just seem to get in afd fast when they are small.
regards --Darkfred Talk to me 22:01, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry I missed one point. I was wrong about the number of back links. There were only 2 as you stated. I didn't check every one initially. --Darkfred Talk to me 22:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Red links are required for Special:Wantedpages to work, and can be useful for judging the notability of something, regardless of whether an article for it exists (e.g. Special:Whatlinkshere/Jetty (web server)). My intentions with respect to articles on KLone, Lite Netquestion HTTP Web Server, nweb, Simple httpd, and TinyWeb are not relevant — no policy states that a contributor who creates a link is obligated to create the article pointed to by the link. In any case, I think this and embedded HTTP server should be merged with comparison of web servers. —Fleminra 00:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree with you on every point. I just don't think the red links would ever get updated this far into the wilds of wikipedia :). On merging; you've got a great point, and while we are at it we should pull in some of the extraneous stubs as well. All the minor articles which just serve as 4 line descriptions plus a link to various list pages and other 4 line stubs. --Darkfred Talk to me 01:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Add nginx http server please.

[edit] Merge

Let's talk about the possible merge. When you say 'merge', this normally means get rid of the whole article, normally because the concepts overlap too much... But I would've thought 'Tiny web servers' is a reasonable topic to have a separate article on. Maybe only the list section of this page should be merged with the comparison of web servers article. But actually if you try to move these list entries over there, you'll probably get into some arguments about whether these 'tiny web servers' are notable as compared to some mainstream normal web servers, so I would question whether anything should be merged actually. I'm don't feel strongly on the issue, but I do think it would be good to remove the big fat merge label one way or another -- Nojer2 12:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, the articles should remain seperate. BadCRC 21:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

I would agree; people interested in tiny web servers have no use for Apache or IIS, why compare them? 66.90.182.183 06:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

This article deserves to stay. (unmerged) I guess most of the wiki editors have absolutely no clue how much effort went into making these unique web servers stable, and release ready. In this day in age, people are shunned at for posting references to free programs online, even in an informative context. Comparing these servers with Apache or any other professional web server is shying away from the spirit of why these pieces of work where put here. Spending months on a tiny web server thats absolutely free to the community entitles you to atleast list it somewhere for it to be known. This is a unique, informative page and deserves to stay.

I found this single page very useful and would probably not have found the page in Google if it was disguised as another more general topic. Please keep it unmerged. I'll remove the merging hint, please add it again if there is still need for discussion. --Raphman 09:38, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Simple Server from AnalogX

There's another low-end server called Simple Server from AnalogX 9http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/network/sswww.htm) that may fit in this group as well, although I don't know where it would belong in the list. 12.210.21.210 15:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

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