Talk:Timeline of the Phantasy Star series
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[edit] My last big edit
In addition to the edits mentioned below,I've also made other changes. The centuries that had no entries have been removed, as they didn't seem to serve any purpose. Kara's birth-year has been noted as 23??, because we don't know around what time she was born, and it likely also varies depending on what martital choices were made. The birth-years of the heroes were made with the assumption that they their parents have a child roughly one year later, since a baby is in the mother's womb for 9 months before being born, and the mother probably wasn't pregnant right away. Lastly, as a result of including all generations, the year of the events of the third generation had to be put into question as well. BenoitRen 14:20, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I forgot to mention that I also changed the entry about Rika. She was actually created based on the genetic pattern of Neifirst, not Nei, as Neifirst was the prototype.
[edit] Anti-Mother Brain resistance movement
I know this information is in the Compendium, but a resistance movement led by "Ohario Sa Riik" and "Aina Le Cille" is not acknowledged at all in any of the original series games. The translator of the Compendium even notes this:
[* - Sorry, but I have to say this - the whole idea of a resistance movement expressed in the AW 1284-1285 entries is just wrong. The events that line PSII's journey are ingenious in the way they lead the players and the PCs to the necessary conclusions, not only helping them to find the strength to resist Mother Brain and the world she has created, but also to understand why they should resist. The power of the game lies in sense of solitary, independent self-discovery - being set adrift in a situation you don't completely comprehend to find your way, the truth, and even your objectives on your own. Dragging in another outside group outside that (very internal) conflict that has all the answers, watching over the heroes and orchestrating events behind the scenes is antithetical to those ideas and drags one of the best-executed, original stories in RPGdom down into Rebellion vs. Empire cliches. It's a clever way of integrating PSIII in the series, but the damage it does to PSII is far too egregious to justify it. Sorry, but as a staunch admirer of PSII, I had to say this. (Of course, the resistance group will probably be the only thing anyone will pick up on from this translation.)]
It's just opinion, but proof of a resistance (at least, one larger than Rolf and his allies) isn't anywhere in the games. Celzrro 20:32, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
That I can agree with. BenoitRen 21:55, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
I disagree with the compendium translator. I think that she elaborated upon PSII's story in her own head, because nothing in the game conveyed the kind of depth she described. It was a pretty basic good vs. evil story, and there was no character development whatsoever that expresses "sense of solitary, independent self-discovery". That's nonsense. The Compendium was an attempt to apply depth to a story that really had none. Perhaps she's right that empire vs. rebellion is cliche, but so are many other things in the PS continuum, which haven't drawn any complaints. Godheval 18:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Regardless, I finally removed the part where the resistance force helps Rolf. Yes, there was no character development, but the story development does express that sense. Its depth is very subtle. BenoitRen 14:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Phantasy Star II's date
As with the Anti-Mother Brain resistance movment, I purposely went against the Compendium regarding the date of Phantasy Star II. This is because an exact date for the events of the game is not given until Phantasy Star IV, but information from Phantasy Star II (specifically, the Biosystems Lab recorder information) shows energy and weather data from AW 1285. The Compendium provides exact dates, but allowing it to overrule information provided earlier than its publishing seems to be ignoring facts from the games themselves, IMO. Celzrro 20:32, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
The debate of Phantasy Star II's date is the result of the flawed logic of one individual, named Mike Ripplinger.
The graph from the Bio-Systems Lab is not explicit. There's no "86" on it, and graphs often show possible future evolution on it.
Furthermore, Neifirst mentions being created two years prior to PSII. As you can see on the graph, the overload of energy pouring into the Biosystems Lab occurred sooner than AW 1284.
The explicit mentions far outweigh the graph. PSIV says it's AW 1284, and the Compendium also does.
Also, it would break the millenial cycle. Dark Force appears every 1000 years. You could argue that the destruction of Parma means that the seal would be weaker, but it was still strong enough to hold the Profound Darkness. It was when the seal's weak moment was there, that the Profound Darkness could break through.
As for Wren's age, in your view that would have less impact since it's PSIV, and not PSII. In any case, technology didn't just disappear like magic when Mother Brain was destroyed.
BenoitRen 22:19, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
Hmm, good points. The AW 1284 date makes a lot more sense now. At least, I'm convinced. Celzrro 02:35, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Phantasy Star III Generations
Does the official canon say that Rhys married Lena, and Nial married Alair? Shouldn't we acknowledge the other possible generations? Not that I'm really complaining, because Aron was my favorite character/path, anyway. But for the sake of being comprehensive...? Godheval 18:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
As far as canon goes, it doesn't tell us anything on how Phantasy Star III went. All endings are equally official and valid. I've completed the Phantasy Star III entries to mention all possible generations. BenoitRen 14:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
