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[edit] Jean-Claude Irvoas

This is not a related incident, this killing took place before the riots even started. I removed from the main article yesterday, and provided links to French media sources that indicate that this was a seperate incident that happened in a seperate location before the riots started. I see that somehow that section of the discussions page (titles "Is this really relevant") has disapeared, and the timeline is now a seperate page and this non-related (albeit tragic) incident is once again associated with it. I'm removing Jean-Claude's killing from this article, it doesn't belong here, why not list every crime that happened during the day before the riots started and claim its related?

Sorry, the discussion got moved to one of the archieves, and its here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2005_French_civil_unrest/Archive_3#Is_this_really_related.3F

Nothing has been added, since i posted that news link, that confirms that this incident is directly related to the rioting, so i think it shouldn't be there at all.

My thanks. I had noticed the inconsitencies in death reports, but was unable to confirm. --Kizor 17:55, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I disagree. Was mentioned yesterday by Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin during his national television address on TF1 as one of the main events of the 2005 civil unrest in France, who are we to think otherwise ?Hektor 21:38, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

If it was one of the main events of the civil unrest, then why did it take place before the civil unrest started?

Once again, was mentioned by the Prime Minister. Here is the verbatim [1].Permettez-moi, Patrick POIVRE d’ARVOR, d’abord de dire que les violences auxquelles on a assisté ces derniers jours, sont inacceptables, qu’il s’agisse de deux hommes frappés à mort à Stains, à Epinay, qu’il s’agisse d’une femme handicapée, brûlée, qu’il s’agisse de la multiplication d’actes de destruction d’écoles,... There are two things, the reality of things and the perception people have of them. People feel the events are associated, even if it not true, even more after the Prime Minister has associated them in his speech. I think it should me mentioned, even with a mention like "although the event is indeed unrelated" for instance.Hektor 03:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)