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Contents 1 dates 2 Speeches 3 January 7 (17th of Dey 19) 1978 4 Civil Wars 5 Martyr

[edit] dates

Should we make some of the most important dates in bold, such as Khomeini returning to Tehran, referendum on the constitution? --Leroy65X 21:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speeches

Don't you think speech of June 5 and August 10 of 1979 isn't notable enough to put there.I mean there are too many speeches that we may think notable but when we gather numerous speeches they corrupt the timeline.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 08:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes there are many speeches, but these comments are very important. They show the begining of the breakup of the intellectuals and the "Khomeinists." It's an important part of the revolution. --Leroy65X 00:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Khomeini is/was the undisputed leader of the revolution. When he says "stay out of this," or "We will not tolerate them any more", that's news. That's an important part of the revolution.

I've shortened the quotes see if you like them better. I "uncovered" the June 5 date too. --Leroy65X 20:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

P.S. I corrected that mistake about the constitution. --Leroy65X 00:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we should set criteria about important speeches unless we have problems with them.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] January 7 (17th of Dey 19) 1978

"January 7 (17th of Dey):Writing a libelous story attacking Khomeini in official newspaper"

What does that mean? The Pahlavi dynasty did that? Also it sounds like it must have been Khomeini who provoked this article to be written? --Rayis 19:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

We have more than a couple of citations indicating the government was behind it and that the story caused an enormous backlash by religious Iranians. --Leroy65X 00:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, what I meant is that why would a government all of a sudden do such a thing? there must have been a motive --Rayis 13:18, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

To make Khomeini, sworn enemy of the Shah, look bad. --Leroy65X 19:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Also, actually a verification of the references would be useful, e.g. where exactly in islamic revolution? --Rayis 13:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much any book on that period of Iranian history will say so. Modern Iran by Keddie, Khomeini by Moin, Spirit of Islam by Taheri, etc. --Leroy65X 19:15, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

That didn't answer my question. 1) Why would a government do this? what was the motive? should the motive not be mentioned, and 2) Iranchamber page has been used as a reference, where exactly on that page does it refer to this? If there are better sources, maybe they should be used instead --Rayis 19:19, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, My dear friend. It's a time line and it's not appropriate place to write analysis and reasons of the events. People should refer to other articles to find them.--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 05:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Er, you are excused. However, I am adding the POV tag because why this was done is not addressed. Until the timeline addresses why the regime was provoked to do such thing, the first item should not be the regime's reaction --Rayis 09:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civil Wars

Timeline lists:

• March 17 (27th of Esfand): Civil war in Sanandaj.[23]
• April 17 (31th of Farvardin): Civil war in Naqadeh.[25]
• August 15(?th of Mordad): Civil war in Paveh.

Two Points:

• who was fighting? Leftist guerillas? Local federalists? there should be more information.
• should it be called a civil war? In English its customary to say something like "Fighting erupted in ..." A civil war has to be really serious fighting like in USA 1861-5, Russia 1919, or Lebanon 1982-89. The Iranian government crushed seperatists and guerillas quite effectively. --Leroy65X 00:43, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

We can say revolt or clash instead of civil war. What do you suggest?--Sa.vakilian(t-c) 03:23, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martyr

Maybe I am not familiar with the terminology of "Martyrdom" as much as I should be, but I believe that on Wikipedia there is a neutrality policy (WP:NPOV), I fail to see how if a protester is killed, he should be called a "martyr", and why they should be addressed as such on Wikipedia --Rayis 10:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I've replaced it appropriately. The Behnam 17:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)