Talk:Time Out (album)

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Contents 1 <^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^> 2 RfC: line 3 Blue Rondo a la Turk 4 Mozart material in Blue Rondo?

[edit] <^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>

• All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen ^Talk 20:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfC: line

Having seen (and liked) on various articles the use of a horizontal line to divide off disambiguation messages I've been adding them to articles for some time (I asked about adding it to the dab template, but was told that, because some editors use two or more instances of the template on one article it would look odd; no-one objected to the line being added manually). User:Reisio has been deleting it, with the edit summary: "rv to 07:43, 2005 October 4 Reisio - haven't seen an hr used like that in any article before - it is abnormal". In an exchange on User Talk pages (see User talk:Reisio#Time Out (album) User talk:Mel Etitis#Time Out (album), Reision has moved to demanding not that the line be present on other articles, but that it have been placed there by editors other than me.

Could other editors say whether or not they object to the line (here and on other articles), and why? Thankyou. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:02, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

I tend to prefer the horizontal line as well, because it is a visual cue that the dab statement is not part of the topic being discussed. This is especially useful when the dab is at the top, as is the usual practice. But I've seen it done with and without the line in many articles, so anyone claiming that one or the other is not typical is mistaken. In a quick perusal of Wikipedia:Disambiguation and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages), which might be expected to comment on this, I didn't notice any comment on the dab header at all. I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere, but I don't know where at the moment. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:17, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

They're already offset from the article by indentation and italics. ¦ Reisio 21:31, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

It's quite simple in my eyes - if this is the only article that has it, then it's abnormal and disrupts consistency between articles. If User:Mel Etitis is the only person (or even one of a handful of people) adding these rules, then it's still abnormal because the vast majority is not using them. Hit up the Random article link a bunch of times and you will shortly come across an article with a disambig notice and it will more than likely not have a rule underneath it; I still have not come across another one with such a rule.

Whether or not the majority should change their habits and start using them and not use the current predominant method of not using them is another matter which should probably be discussed on an MoS talk page. ¦ Reisio 21:27, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

If you're going to have a dablink you should use one of the templates shown at Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Templates for disambiguation links. The purpose of these templates is to standardize the appearance of such links so you don't have to argue on article talk pages. However, this article title is not ambiguous and doesn't need a dablink at all. No one's going to get to this page unless they expect to read about the album. —Wahoofive (talk) 21:39, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Indentation and italics are overloaded with uses (dab statements, quotations, special text formatting. In most articles, horizontal lines have only two uses: dab statements and as section heading underlining (Monobook skin only). A horizontal line for a leading dab statement is therefore unambiguous and provides useful vertical visual separation. Also, repeatedly hitting "Random page" hardly provides any meaningful statistical basis for current practice. (See Birthday paradox for a hint a how surprising such random selection can be. I once calculated an 88% probability for coming across the same article twice in 1,000 tries in a 500,000-article Wikipedia, which doesn't give one a good feeling for random-sample testing.) Unfortunately, Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Templates for disambiguation links is, well, ambiguous on the subject. One might extrapolate an avoidance of horizontal lines because none is shown in the templated examples, although the examples themselves (the sole purpose of the section) would not be clarified if they had been included. The alternative form of placing the dab message at the bottom with a wiki-HR suggests the HR might not be used at the top, but it's all maddeningly unstated. In any case, it is frequent practice, and I stand by my justifications above. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:39, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

My vote: Omit horizontal bar. --Arcadian 01:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

• Wahoofive's right, of course; the dablink's unnecessary here. I've removed it. The general question still stands (note that this is a request for comment, not a vote, though). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:20, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
  • However, this isn't the right place to discuss the general question: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation or even Template talk:Otheruses would be better. It's already been discussed at Template talk:dablink —Wahoofive (talk) 15:41, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Blue Rondo a la Turk

I'm wondering if the diacritic actually belongs here. The album has no such diacritic, using "Blue Rondo A La Turk" and the liner notes have it as "Á". --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 18:10, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

The original album does in fact use "à" (to left) in the liner notes. Whatever lackey they had retype it for the CD messed up and used "Á" (to right, and capitalized). If you look at the first page of the CD booklet, you will see a facsimile of the original liner notes including the "à". The actual phrase, of course, is also "à la". ¦ Reisio 20:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Aha, I see. That's a good eye for detail you've got there. --howcheng [ t • c • w • e ] 21:49, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

I actually checked the record (vinyl) album, but remembered the facsimile in the CD booklet when I thought of how boring it'd be to scan the cover. :p ¦ Reisio 22:47, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Mozart material in Blue Rondo?

There seem to be a misunderstanding in the current article, which credits "material from Mozart in 'Blue Rondo à la Turk')". AFAIK, there wasn't anything more than alluding to Mozart's title and style, and I can't hear any actual Mozart material in this track. At least, not from his "Rondo Alla Turca" in the Piano Sonata No. 11. What is the source or rationale for this credit? Else I'll amend it accordingly. -- 62.147.39.22 12:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)