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[edit] Duplicate Profiles

We have 2 different profile boxes, both consisting of some similar information, and does not look very good - should we not merge this into one? Tim.bounceback 22:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] VfD

This article survived VfD in January 2005. To view the votes and comments, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Tila Nguyen — J3ff 03:26, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] breasts fake or not?

I removed the following sentence:

She also had breast enhancement surgery performed, which altered her breasts from a size 'A', to a size 'C'.

Tila has not had breast implants. Read her resume on her official website. It clearly states that her measurements are "34B-24-36". — J3ff 02:45, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

She's had breast surgery done. Her breasts are artificial.

Where's your source for this? — J3ff 23:30, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I removed the following sentence:

Since then Nguyen has had surgery to enlarge her breasts to a B-cup size.

Unless this is verifiable through other sources, this should not be in the article. — J3ff 20:36, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Her breasts are fake. if you read the article from import tuner called "up close and personal with tila" then you know she admits to it. 2NR: Real or fake? TN: Real on the outside! They're fake, but they are proportioned to my body very well. its from the interview.

Well, can you give us an Issue number and/or Issue date so we can Verify this ourselves?
indeed, unless people can come with some actual trustable sources it's simply not something that should be added. Boneyard 10:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

i found the website that has that quote from the magazine "import tuner" http://www.importtuner.com/models/archives/0211it_model/

I don't think this is an appropriate source. Its like saying that a porn star loves double anal because she says so on video - she only saying what the viewers (or readers in this case) want to hear. If you look at Tila's playboy shoot, which was her first modelling experience, just after her 18th birthday, her breasts are perfect, just like they are now. They're not fake. ---Nambio 23:28, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, Import Tuner Magazine is a verifiable source. If you can find a source which is is reliable saying otherwise, please add it. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 05:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree, it may well be a verifiable source. Similar to how Penthouse is a verifiable source. Like I said above, just because a porn star says she loves getting fucked by dirty old men, doesn't mean it is actually true. Tila Nguyen's appeal is based on sex, and sex alone. In order to keep up this appeal, it is only natural that she is going to BS reporters to some extend. When discussing her breasts to a magazine, in which her existence is based SOLEY on sex appeal, she is obviously going to have an agenda. This does not mean to say her breasts are definately not fake, but we just need to take it with a grain of salt. --Nambio 22:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, if her appeal is based on sex alone, keeping in mind of the hundreds of asian models out, why is she signed with Interscope? Regardless of how it may not seem, record companies DO NOT waste money, musicians (and producers) time and label resources (CD processing, recording studios) on people who don't have any form of musical talent. Even Spears and Madonna have some kind of musical talent. Import Tuner is a automotive magazine, NOT an adult mag like Penthouse. I'm sorry the policy states "verifibility, not truth" but if Tila said somewhere that she doesn't, then post it up. I'd rather have verifibility and truth. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 10:11, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
My point was actually not to speak of her modelling rather than her music - the former is (arguably) where her breasts matter. While I understand Import Tuner is not an adult magazine, Nguyen's role is exactly the same as it would be in a magazine such as Penthouse. In this instance (as is true for any other model), her appeal is soley based on sex. Therefore, I do not think this source can be purported as fact, especially considering various sources in conflict. Like I said above, I am not saying her breasts are fake; I am merely suggesting we look at such sources with a little more scrutiny than we would the New York Times or Newsweek. --Nambio 06:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of what her role is, I fail to see why her words should be taken at less than face-value. There are *at least* as many men who prefer natural breasts as who like fake breasts, so I don't see a particular reason to think she's lying in the interview. At the very least, it can be said that she *has* said they're fake in interviews. 147.240.236.9Roy

[edit] inappropriate

I have removed the following:

* Turn Ons: Bad boys and clean cut mommy's boys not need apply!
* Turn Offs: Pretty boys and Chris Furrh!

This is inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. — J3ff 00:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tila signed with Interscope Records

You know Tila's music career has skyrocketed, and now MTV announced that she's signed with Interscope records. (myspace link removed because it triggers wikipedias spam filter) This article is so outdated, when it comes to her music. Anybody care to update it?

Nevermind, I added a few paragraphs about it.

[edit] The Rllmuk Connection

The subsection about Rllmuk deals with an organization that may not be sufficiently well-known to be included in the article. The Wikipedia community welcomes newcomers, and encourages them to become Wikipedians. However, to merit inclusion in the encyclopedia proper, a subject must be notable. After a debate on whether or not Rllmuk is notable enough for Wikipedia, we found out it wasn't. We encourage you to write or improve articles on notable subjects. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rllmuk

If you were the one who shot the pic of Tila, you can actually release that image under the GFDL, or Creative Commons licencing, upload it to Wikimedia Commons, and replace the fair-use image we have on the top of the page with it. You can explain the thing with Tila and Rllmuk on the image description page, once you uploaded it--LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 22:35, 25 April 2006 (UTC)


The picture is not good enough quality (as you could see, someone put a link to it on here at one point) to replace the one you already have. Delete the Rllmuk Connection again if you like, I won't put it back up. Sorry, not sure how I'm supposed to sign off here.

[edit] Location of birth?

The info box states that she's born in Singapore, but the article text itself states that she "moved away from Vietnam where she was born."--202.73.47.130 12:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

It says her family moved away from Vietname before she was born — J3ff 07:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category fix

Of all the categories this article falls under, it wasn't linked correctly and so it appeared to be listed under T rather than N in Category:Internet celebrities. I edited the article to correct this. Then Lbmixpro reverted that edit. I just edited the article again to correct the Internet celebrities linking again. The format for listing an article about a person in a category is, in this case, Category:Internet celebrities|Nguyen, Tila. This is what my edit corrected, so please don't revert it or edit it back to the incorrect link again. Thank you. Avalyn 12:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup notice

I noticed that InShaneee added a cleanup noticed stating that the article reads like an ad. Other than having "Tila" instead of "Nguyen" in the article, I don't think it reads like an ad for Tila. I written the biography with the corollary of Wikipedia:Make articles useful for readers in mind. Since Nguyen isn't a formal public figure, I wrote the article to be a little loose than others. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 02:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I've mainly just got issue with some of the language choices in the article. "Continued her rebellious tomboy attitude", "went through a period of self-discovery", "jealousy had taken its toll on the group", "Tila's music career skyrocketed"...all strike me as overly-flowery language for an encyclopedia, as well as showing a bias for this person. --InShaneee 02:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've done a little work with the article. I used the "rebellious tomboy" and "Jealousy" terms to keep the article interesting. But I couldn't find a better term for the period of time between her photoshoot with Stuff and her signing with Interscope. How else can we word it? --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 02:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Not really sure, sorry (hence why I dropped the tag here rather than rework it myself). In the meantime, you might wanna consider using some more pronouns here (replacing some of those "Nguyen"s with "her" and "she"). --InShaneee 02:59, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I still don't believe this article has been fixed up enough to qualify the removal of the cleanup notice. For example, the paragraph "However, jealousy had taken its toll on the group and Nguyen fled to Queens, New York for some time. There, she returned to her previous state of partying and drugs. Once she returned to Texas, she had a three-way relationship with two other girlfriends until she decided she couldn't handle her lifestyle and she began to focus on her studies, as well as obtaining a couple of jobs" isn't really encyclopedic is it? If such loose language is to be used in this entry, it needs to be restructed to be shown from the original source. For example, "According to xxx, the group fell apart due to "jealousy", and Nguyen subsequently moved to NY..." I think this would make for a far more professional article --Nambio 03:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tila Tequila or Tila Nguyen?

Someone moved the Tila Nguyen page to this, Tila Tequila, without discussing it on this talk page. He claims Tila Tequila is primary usage. Does everyone agree with this? Or should we move it back to Tila Nguyen? --Nambio 22:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

I think she's known by both. Tila's Hotspot refers her as Nguyen. But until recently the press have referred to her as Nguyen, Especially during her modeling days. But her fame on MySpace is what's causing people to call her by her screen/stage name instead. All the magazines call her Tila Tequila now, it's easier than trying to pronounce Tee-lah Nu-weeng. A Googlefight states that Tequila is more prominent by far. I think at this point, unless things change drastically, the article should stay Tila Tequila. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 01:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Google trend of Tequila vs. Nguyen shows a recent spike for Tequila, but Nguyen much more stable. -- JHunterJ 20:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Nguyen, definitely. - Darwinek 21:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I also support Nguyen. Google trend supports it, and her official site is titled "The Official Tila Nguyen Website". I think we can move it back. --Nambio 02:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination for good article approved

I have reviewed this article and decided that it meets the criteria for "good article" status. I feel this article was very well written; despite having no prior exposure to Tila Nguyen and little interest in her brand of entertainment, I was nevertheless interested and found myself enjoying the article. This article is well organized, and seems to follow the Wikipedia style guidelines. The article also impresses because it adheres admirably to the standards of reference citation necessary for biographies of living persons. The sources seem highly credible and easily verifiable. The use of inline citations is commendable, and seems to contain no original research, and retains a very neutral point of view, appearing neither to be a fan site nor the opposite. The bredth of this article was perfect, covering appropriate topics and avoiding unnecessary trivia. Despite one recent incident of vandalism, which appears random rather than malicious, this article has been stable on both the talk page, having all major dispuits/discussions either resolved or abandoned for a long period of time, and in the article itself, showing no edit wars are occuring, and only positive contributions made. I am also pleased to see not only images, but other media links available in this article. I feel as though the media complement the text nicely. Congratulations on a job well done to all editors involved! I would suggest continuing improvements on this article to aim for eventual featured article status, as I believe would be possible with continued improvements and refinement. Cheers! Chuchunezumi 02:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The article was removed from the GA list by User:TheM62Manchester with no explanation. As no signifigant changes were made to the article since its listing to warrant delisting, I've restored its status --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 23:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tila's surname

Is her last name pronounced Noo-yen or Noo-wen? I always thought it was the former, but I've heard some people pronounce it as Noo-wen. So which one is it? Why sigh, cutie pie? 16:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

The article about the last name Nguyen has the pronounciations, based on that it is Noo-wen, or Nu-wing, as the IPA pronounces it. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!>

Comment: However you pronounce it, just make sure that it's all contained within one syllable.
12:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Possible bias

I've went ahead an changed the empty comments header to a biased tag. Even though the criticism has been worked into the article seamlessly. It is not in depth whatsoever. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 21:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What about all the naked pictures?

I think this article glosses over the fact that she posed for literally THOUSANDS of naked pictures and videos on her own website (no "spread eagles" or stuff like that, but some of which show clearly visible labia) some of which are still floating around on the internet. But which she has since removed from her website since becoming famous (much to the disappointment of her fans). Also, I think this should totally be at Tila Tequila now. Brjatlick 17:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Who cares, really? --Karafias 18:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Well the point is that this is an article that should cover everything, and it seems like she's ignoring that that whole part of her life ever happened, when really that's what got her to the point of being famous. I wouldn't go so far as saying she was a porn star but she even did some lesbian-themed videos where she made out with other naked women and simulated (I'm guessing it was simulated) performing and receiving oral sex with other women - and yet now she is becoming a star and it's like that stuff never happened! I mean, come on. Brjatlick 01:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
After thinking about it, I guess I agree. It's notable because that's mainly how she got famous - and now she's trying to hide it, or at least pretend it never happened. My question, however, is how you would fit this into the article? Is there any way to confirm this actually happened now that she has deleted the evidence? I have alot of "evidence" on my computer, but I'm not sure if that counts as a valid source. :P --Karafias 04:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Gots to be someone has mentioned this in some external source. Brjatlick 04:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'll have to search some of my research sources and find anything on Nguyen. The issue above only means that the modeling section needs expansion. We all know she was in Playboy, but we never focused on her marketing during her modeling years prior to MySpace. Come to think about it, many glamour models pose similar to what Brjatlick described, and Nguyen is a glamour model, right? Karafias said that her modeling is what got her famous. Do we have any reliable source which states this? I'm suprised I haven't found any yet, other than her hip-hop skill s are not up to par with others. We can't just look at a set of nude photos Tila has taken and assume that's how she became an internet celeb. Maybe we should also focus on articles about the users of MySpace; I remember reading in an interview about Nguyen's status as most popular artist on MySpace because of people who come to MySpace to find eye-candy. As Nguyen becomes for famous, the more this will come out. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 07:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Proof : http://www.sexyandfunny.com/TilaTequilaNude.shtml : NSFW

I just wanted to comment that I too was rather surprised to see the term "glamour model". Considering the pictures availible on the internet a few years back, I would have expected the article to refer to her as a "nude model turned pop star". I do remember being rather surprised at finding her "new" site some time ago, and not finding any of the pictures I expected, but instead a lot of talk about an upcoming album and so on, and I do get the feeling that she's trying to "hide her dirty past", so to speak. I do not however, have any verifiable sources to refer you to (though, considering the internet's inherent volatility, I do feel that our current demands for sources feel a bit high when discussing someone/thing mainly known through the internet) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.224.197.10 (talk) 17:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC). (Forgot to sign. Don't have an account, but sometimes sign my edits with the tag "G_urr_A"...)

[edit] She is French!

She's 25% French, not half. It even says on her Myspace (http://myspace.com/allabouttila):

Tila "Tequila" Nguyen was born on October 24, 1981 (Year of the Rooster), in Singapore, of Vietnamese and French heritage. When Tila was one year old, her family moved to Houston, Texas. Growing up in a strict environment, Tila wanted to depart and experience the freedoms of her new land, but mostly had a troubled youth, as she went around with the least desirable peers. At age sixteen, Tila left home for New York City, but couldn't make a go of it, and returned to Houston where a lucky encounter with a magazine agent gave her the opportunity to try modeling. At nineteen, she became a successful model for men's magazines, after which she moved to Hollywood where she modeled for magazines and automobile shows. By chance, she acquired a contract to appear as a spokesmodel for Nintendo. This broadened her horizons and her appeal and she became a popular model for calendar shoots. Why sigh, cutie pie? 18:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

That profile is a fan profile, not created by Tila. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 03:56, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the statement from the article again. It needs to be referenced there, and the above myspace page doesn't cut it- as Lbmixpro pointed out, it's not her page, it's a fan page. For all we know they're just reproducing info they found here.--Cúchullain t/c 19:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moved to Tequila

  • I moved this page, as she will be releasing her record under the surname of Tequila and since LL Cool J has a page under his stage name, as do many other celebrites, I believe this page should follow suit. Finally, there is no evidence of Tila's HotSpot saying The Official Tila Nguyen Wesbite since it has been re-launched. Jtervin 20:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Her MySpace profile says "MY SITE TILASHOTSPOT.COM HAS BEEN RELAUNCHED", she's repeated it over and over. Though you have to pay to get all the good stuff on the site so I don't know if it's worth it to readd the link -- propaganda? ― Sturr ★彡 Refill/lol 18:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
What's propaganda??? Jtervin 23:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Propaganda ― Sturr ★彡 Refill/lol 00:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
I know what it is. I meant what do u mean when you are using it??? Jtervin

[edit] Vietnamese

Does Tila SPEAK Vietnamese? ― Sturr ★彡 Refill/lol 18:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess so.
Well, I don't because she sounds like a White girl when she speaks English. ― Sturr ★彡 Refill/lol 23:49, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
The sources say that she moved to the states before she could talk, so she has picked up the dialect of those she has been around with while in the states. She hasn't stated she returned to vietnam, so I doubt she can speak it. --wL<speak·check·chill> 07:12, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
So you're saying she can only speak English? ― Sturr ★彡 Refill/lol 20:24, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
unless she says it herself, noone knows. it´s possible that she knows how to speak vietnamese, because her parents might have taught her. many oversees vietnamese can speak vietnamese even though they were not born there. (chiyo, 18 march 2007) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.68.32.135 (talk) 23:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Lesbian?

It says something about "girlfriends" in this article; is this in the "love" sense or in a "friends" way? Also, she apparently has Manic Depression (HA!). Just thought I'd ask. 89.213.51.202 23:03, 5 February 2007 (UTC) She says she

[edit] Her Word

Since when can any statement from an self proclaimed bi polar personality be trusted? She is duplicitous in the very least and a bold face deceiver in the extreme. I guess her ability to promote herself is something to be admired but where will she be in 10 years? A Pop culture afterthought. This is an Encyclopedia not a tabloid. I think this article should be deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rodney21a (talk • contribs) 12:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC).

My history teacher said the same thing. ― Sturr ★彡 Refill/lol 03:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Yet this article is considered one of the top 1700 articles on Wikipedia, AND considered for the Wikipedia CD-ROM release. --wL<speak·check·chill> 06:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Please can you state why you consider her to be duplicitous? 89.213.8.232 18:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm only saying that it takes more than what's written above for the article to be deleted. Didn't say anything about duplicitous. --wL<speak·check·chill> 07:34, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction NPOV dispute.

I seriously believe that stating Tila's sexuality in the first sentence of the lead section is a serious violation of the Neutral Point of View policy for undue weight, as it implys that the reason for her inclusion on Wikipedia is because she is bi. As the lead guideline states, the lead section of an article is supposed to summarize the entire article, and putting the fact that she's bi, which is only mentioned in one sentence midway through the article is POV. --wL<speak·check·chill> 05:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

To build on WikiLeon's comments, Wikipedia:Lead_section#Provide_an_accessible_overview states "The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article" (emphasis mine). Tequila's sexuality is far from an "important point" in the article; if she is notable for being bisexual in the real world, the article should be expanded with reliable sources to reflect that. The lead section guideline page also says "The first sentence in the lead section should be a concise definition of the topic" - why should Tequila's sexuality be mentioned in the intro sentence if she isn't notable for it? There are many readers out there who would disagree with the notion currently presented in this article that a person's sexuality, particularly if they are homosexual or bisexual, is some kind of defining characteristic no matter who they are. Extraordinary Machine 19:34, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, there's been no further comment here, so I've removed it. Unless somebody would like to add "heterosexual" to the lead sections of every single article on heterosexual people. Extraordinary Machine 21:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the long time before my reply. But I do think that stating that she is bisexual is an important part of her life and should be mentioned in the introduction. If you were to read her bio you will see what I mean. Just because the article does not reflect this part of her life does not mean that this is not an significant part of her life and self identity. I think that this article is actually lacking because if you read it you would think that she is famous due to her modeling career and singing and not due to MySapce which is THE reason she is famous and an enormous part of her life. -- UKPhoenix79 01:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
When it comes to the intro sentence, only these things belong: Name, birthdate, birthplace, and occupation. Anything else, especially touchy subjects, would be debated. The rest can be mentioned elsewhere in the lead or article. If her sexuality is important, then include why in the right section. As far as I see it, she is not signifigant in regards to bisexuality, since there's no signifigant issue from the media, in contrast to Ellen. --wL<speak·check·chill> 08:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tila is not Viet and Chinese, but she is Viet and French

See http://tilashotspot.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=583&view=findpost&p=7897 ― Sturr ★彡 Refill/lol 02:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

You know forums are not reliable, right? --wL<speak·check·chill> 09:05, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Tila Nguyen herself answered my post saying her mother has French blood. ― Sturr ★彡 Refill/lol 01:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
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