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[edit] Adminship

Hi... I've been watching you in action, and I think you'd make a fine administrator if you were interested. Your edit count is a bit light for what people seem to want nowadays but it's growing. I'd be happy to nominate you either now, or later, if you were interested. What do you think? I'll watch here for your reply. (you gotta fix that album cover thingie though!) ++Lar: t/c 15:02, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Agh, I forgot all about the album cover. Gonna blank it for the time being until I figure out what to do, thanks for the reminder.

Also, thanks for the vote of confidence in suggesting an RfA for me, I really appreciate that. I'd tossed around the possibility of accepting a nom someday if should someone asked, although I didn't expect it to be just yet — like you said, my edit count is still a little low (ahh! editcountitis!) For now, I'd better hold off for a motnh or so. I'm about to move out of state to start a new job (er, as soon as I find out where), so I would be hard to reach during an RfA. I could also use the time in between to get more involved with the projects I'm in and author a few more articles, which would probably help set minds at ease about my experience and ability.

Again, I really appreciate your suggestion, thanks. Let me know if you've got any advice for things that you think would be good to do in the meantime, and check back in a month or so. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 18:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not an admin yet either so I may not be the best source for advice but I've been reading up on the stuff linked from the RfA page and seeking advice from more experienced 'pedians... my candidacy is likely to get going in about a week or so. I'll be watching, or just drop me a line when you're ready. ++Lar: t/c 18:50, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Will do, thanks. I'm looking forward to your nom, although I have to admit that I'll be biased in your favor... tons of common interest. I had no idea that there was a Lego WikiProject. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 01:58, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Did I say Lego? I meant BrickWiki. Dang. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 04:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I'm not the top editor at BrickWiki any more but I was for a while I think. As for WP:LEGO, ya, I should make one soon (in my copious free time!), there are quite a few category:LEGO articles here. ++Lar: t/c 05:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

So then... let's get the process started. It can go live "whenever"... I'm working on creating the RfA page as we speak. It can percolate for a month or more, there's nothing wrong with that.

++Lar: t/c 11:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Just sort of a ping... it has been "about a month or so". No rush of course. I'm happy to work on this with you according to your timeline. Just let me know. Here is fine. ++Lar: t/c 22:45, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'm just moving into the new job right now, so I've actually got a little free time, as I don't formally start until the 30th. Perhaps it would be a good time to get this settled. I'm going to review the admin reading list one more time before answering the questions. If you're around, shouldn't take too long. Will drop you a line on your talk page when it's set. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 00:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hey back from thewolfstar

Tijuana, Thanks. I understand what you mean about not posting the Kapersky Trust unblock request on Jimbo's page and I won't do it again. Kapersky has been told to send an email to his block guard and is obviously extermely uncomfortable about that. He is aking that his comments be seen by all and is obviously scared. He knows what living in a Communist regime is like. He came here looking for freedom and instead has found more of the same oppression here. You and I have talked before, remember? We've had some good talks, too. At least, I enjoyed them a lot. I believe there was a level of honesty achieved there thanks, initially, to your kindness and consideration when I was stressed up. Can you help me help this guy now, the way you helped me? He needs our help. Thanks Tijuanna. peace Maggiethewolfstar 09:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

But of course I remember... I'm still looking forward to hearing more about humanistic anarchism. If he's concerned about openness, may I suggest that he carbon copies his email to the blocking admin to other addresses (perhaps yours?), so proof exists? I haven't checked to see who blocked him, but I should mention that 99% of the admins here are great people that have good reasons behind what they do. Let me know if you try that out, and keep me up to date on how you've been. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 09:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey Tijuanna, It's good to talk to you again. I'm gonna be honest because it's the only way I know how to be anymore. It hasn't been my experience that 99% of the admins are good people never mind great people. I have seen some great ones like Lord Valdemort and Pongo and Asbestos seems cool. I'm not always sure who is and itsn't an admin because I don't check that very often. This is mostly on account of I don't care if they are admins or not. People are people to me and if they cannot take an insult without weilding they're power..well then it shows a lot and is on them. Now, I expect I will get blocked for saying this and it will be called a personal attack. What I see here is a huge power game for controlling articles. What I see is admins secretly listening to spies or responding to requests to those who brown nose them. Double talk and double think are everywhere, not to mention double standards. People get hung up in rfc's to have rocks thrown at them. The policies are misused and abused. Wiki rules, written to protect the victims of witch hunts and to protect newcomers, are not followed. People are banished forever, never to be seen again. Sort of like Dubya does to his terror suspects which are guess who? You and I. The enemy combatant..The U.S. citizen. But I suppose what I just said will be considered a rant. I will go the way of so many others. Here it goes. Maggiethewolfstar 09:45, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Tijuana Brass, you there? thewolfstar 10:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi I'm new

Hello I'm new to wikipedia. I like your user page. The League of Crazy Men 16:25, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page redesign

The initial redesign is now up. :) Please let me know if you want anything tweaked or changed (I couldn't manage to work in the light maroon :P). And as for the status icon, do you want the same images that Jude uses, or would you like something different? Thanks! Sango123 (e) 19:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Best Two Years

Hey, I noticed you tagged this article for cleanup. Could you specify what problems you think need resolving, so that they can be addressed? Thanks! --Hetar 07:22, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I think that one was misplaced, actually... that's what happens when you have multiple tabs open, all on different articles. My mistake. Thanks for the heads up. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 05:25, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] time to vote

[edit] Congrats on TIME 100

Congratulations Jimbo on being named one of TIME's 100 Most Influential People.user:Felisberto2May2006(UTC)

[edit] hey

Yeah, I hear what you are saying. The only thing is this. I believe many people have it sort of the wrong way around.

1. It's up to the veteran editor to be a power of example to the newcomer and follow the wiki ettiquette him or herself.
2. It's up to the veteran editor to be a power of example to the newcomer and follow the rules him or herself rather than start yelling them at the newcomer, which happens incessantly.
3. If this true civility was shown to the newcomer, I venture that a lot more civility would be shown back to the oldtimer or veteran user.
4. If good faith was shown to the newcomer to begin with, and all too often it's not, the same trust and good faith would be had and shown by the newcomer, more often than not.

It didn't take me long to learn the Wiki rules, or at least the ones that I have been accused of breaking so many times. I broke them most of the time, at least, because of the irony of the situation as I've explained above. Sometimes I broke the rules and yelled defensively and was rude. I've already aplogized to the people I was aware of. And they apologized to me.

I have a hunch that the exact same situation happens to many newcomers. And you know what? I have seen for sure that this is what happens on a regular basis, not only to newcomers, but to anyone who comes up against the powers here. The cabal, the oligarchy whatever you want to call it.

I hope you don't take offense at what I say to you, Tijuanna. I like you and would like to remain friendly with you. peace, Maggiethewolfstar 06:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] discrimination at wikipedia???

why you told me to look at portuguese(you didnt expell well on my talk page) wikipedia?.is the english version only reserved for americans our english folks?.i dont think so as wikipedia is under GFDL amean anyone can edit or read.are you mad because i sent the link of times to vote on jimbo?if yes i dont think this is the way to react with racism and discrimination.my apologies if you dont like jimbo wales.may peace be with youuser:felisberto3May2006(UTC)

No. I suggested that you look into the Portugeuse version of Wikipedia because it's your native language and you seem to still be learning both English and the ins and outs of how Wikipedia works; it may be an easier place to start. And if you're planning on accusing others of racism when they offer you advice, you're not going to have the most pleasant experience here. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 18:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ok

you know?now i fell ashamed. user:Felisberto22:22,3 May2006

Ahh, no, no, don't feel ashamed! I can understand misinterpreting my message as something rude, and forgive me if my tone made it sound that way. It was just a friendly suggestion. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 05:32, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changes made

I've completed all your requested changes (you have two three new subpages, btw). After you tweak your activity indicator to your liking, I'll add a tool written by Topaz to your monobook.js so you'll be able to update your status with one click. You don't have to use it, but it will save you the effort of having to edit your status page every time you log on, log off, or just happen to be around. :) Cheers, Sango123 (e) 20:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] May the Force be with you.

Dear Tijuana Brass/Archive 3,

Thanks for voting on my RFA! I appreciate your faith in me, and was overwhelmed by the positive response to my RFA; for it shows that at least I'm doing something right. :) I've started working to improve myself already, and I hope that next time, things run better, and maybe, just maybe, one day we can bask on the shores of Admintopia together. Thanks and cheers, _-M o P-_ 21:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Bringer of Wiki Peace Award

Hello Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ Of all the editors I see on Wikipedia, you deserve this award the most. You are a true bringer of peace, a voice of reason at Wikipedia, and a wonderful friendly person. Thanks for being a friend. Yours in peace and freedom Maggiethewolfstar 03:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hey

Hey, Tijuanna, glad you like the award. You know I mean it sincerely. One thing people should know by now about me is I am honest. You are also honest, but seem to have acquired a gentler way of expressing stuff than I have. Uh, by the way, I didn't think you meant that kind of warm and tingly feeling..? hah. Anyway I know that due to your and Merecat's efforts that I would be Wikipedian history by now. At least..well maybe or maybe not..(be history). But I still appreciate some one who has the courage and integrity to go up against strong oppositon. I sure do know hard that can be. Did it my whole life and it's a hard road to trudge. Thanks for being who you are. peace Maggiethewolfstar 05:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Go Heels!

I figured you were at Wake. I did my *h.* at UNC Chapel Hill and left the Southern Part of Heaven in 1999. Winston-Salem is a neat place. (Yeah, my profession is what you'd expect.) (Do you really count the anti-trinitarians as part of the flock? It seems to me that most of them would revel in being called heterodox by the established churches. In particular, the neo-Albigensians up there (yes, I mean in Durham) were delighted in calling all members of all churches "false Christian scum" and the like and hoping for nothing so much as another crusade of St. Louis against them, as they were also collecting guns.) Geogre 01:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I... er... *cough cough* eh, I think I'm getting liberalized being here. I suppose that on a personal level, nah, I wouldn't really include them. But I tend to err on the inclusive side, I suppose; especially having spent five years as a Mormon, I've kind of fallen back on the "call them Christian if they call themselves Christian" definition. Yeah, it's sort of cheating, I know. And I had a feeling that I was working with someone who may have read a book or two (or three or four) more than me on the issue. Semi-pelagian? Hmm... I'm gonna do a study on you now. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 05:14, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I like to think that I'm as liberal as the next person (unless I'm in Cuba), but I don't think that a spirit of intolerance and an ability to define one's religion are synonymous. It's possible, I think, to say, "We are this" without saying "We will eliminate people who believe that." What has bothered me about liberal theology (or so-called liberal theology) is that it has mistaken a fuzziness of identity for tolerance at the same time that it has advocated wording changes without any adaptation of the concepts behind the words. Liberation Theology is frankly Marxisant, and yet it is definite, clear, and exclusive, so social justice and freedom can go hand in hand with powerfully identified theological principles; on the other hand, a lot of contemporary theology at, say Candler School of Theology, is based on the idea that God is a social construct that can be dispensed with or reshaped according to community (and then individual) need, and this leads to no way to say what it is that you believe. Once you can't say what you believe in, you cannot say that anything is outside of it. (Grumble.) I think 'liberal' theology is often not liberal, not liberating, and not left wing. Geogre 09:25, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, there really is a neo-Albigensian group in Durham. Steve Winter is based there, and he leads (?) a whole "network" of dualists who believe that true Christianity was preserved at Langudoc and was wiped out by the wicked and corrupt Catholic Church out to preserve its secrets. (I.e. the Albigensians were heirs to the holy grail, had the scions of Jesus, and were suppressed for knowing the truth.) Steve is a cantankerous fellow. Geogre 09:29, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

So... your school is still taking transfer applications, right? Why do I always end up meeting the professors whose theology and methodlogy I'm interested in online? Sigh...

At any rate, I agree wholeheartedly. In some cases, at least here at Wake, I get the feeling that some liberation theologians are really just anti-conservative theologians. There's still some value in challenging traditional systems of belief in that manner, I suppose, but it's exactly as you've said — it's often not liberal, not liberating, and not left wing. Hmm, I've got to write that down. In any case, I stand corrected. Thanks for indulging my curiosity, by the way. It's been a pleasure reading what you've had to say, and I'll continue to do so. By the way, do you know offhand the name of that neo-Albigensian group? It'd be... interesting to check out. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 09:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Steve Winter runs something called PrimeNet, or he did. Let me check on Google. They recruit all around the place. I had the distinct impression that their starting point was Holy Blood, Holy Grail, although he denied it (while calling me fake Christian scum, etc.). They were hugely into online proselytizing way back. "Pastor" Steve Winter runs www.prime.org. Remember: I did warn you. Geogre 12:23, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!

Hello, Tijuana Brass/Archive 3, and thank you for vote on my recent RfA! With a final vote of 62/2/4, I have now been entrusted with the mop, bucket and keys. As I acclimate myself to my new tools, feel free to let me know how you believe I might be able to use them to help the project. Thanks again! RadioKirk talk to me 05:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E-butler

Thanks for your message on possible speedy deletion of this article. Not asserting notability is grounds for deleting articles about people not products. Vanity is discouraged but not grounds for deletion. It is worthy of deletion and should be deleted in five days time when the Proposed Deletion process finishes. Subsequently, it can be speedy deleted as recreation of a previously deleted article.

Regards

Capitalistroadster 09:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

I'm back. Anonymous_anonymous Have a Nice Day 10:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. I feel quite refreshed but I need to go back to work. Anonymous_anonymousHave a Nice Day 20:05, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] would you give me an idea

recently i published an article about notable survivors of abuse but was rejected due to copyrights issues then i asked the owner of the article about an authorization she gave me the authorization to publish.now i dont know what to do? yet i receive an email of the owner saying i can publish the article with a condition of stating wich website the article came from and a disclamer.i think her conditions are met. if i have a problem like this in the future which person to contact? since im new here not having many friends i remenber to contact you first i thank you whatever the outcome.21:25Felisberto7May2006

We don't need reproduction permission, or that is, not JUST reproduction permission, we need the article to be licensed to us under a free license such as WP:GFDL or CCSA because it needs to be forkable and sharable with our mirrors and shadows. There's boilerplate that is useful when seeking permission, did you use it when you asked? You may want to find that boilerplate and ask again. ++Lar: t/c 19:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The page with boilerplate is Wikipedia:Boilerplate request for permission... that page is linked in to other pages that have good discussion on the topic. ++Lar: t/c 20:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3

[edit] Criticism of Mormonism

I'll try to take a look, but won't be much use until tomorrow, as I'm trying to sort out the past few weeks of edits. Incidentally, your help could be used at Exmormonism. -Visorstuff 23:53, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indefinite block proposal on WP:ANI

Hi, TB. I was wondering if you might wish to share an opinion here. Bishonen | talk 11:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Re: Esperanza

Thanks for your comments on my talk page. As far as my involvement in Esperanza goes, I'm not sure. EWS23 had a lot of good things to say at WT:ESP, but it still seems to me in this addition that I was being asked to leave under the words, "I am getting pretty damn sick of all of you." Also, my leaving Esperanza was apparently the first in a wave of people leaving, and I can't help but wonder if I was the catalyst of some of that. I suppose I took Richardshusr's message too personally. Regardless, I'll give some consideration to returning, but that depends on whether I think I can add something to Esperanza. --Elkman - ^(talk) 19:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Exmormonism Flames

Thanks TB! I was trying to find the right way to say that, I'm glad you did. - Reaverdrop 09:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TTD

Sorry I didn't get a chance today, but I had been terribly optimistic about how quickly I'd get done with my RL (for profit) tasks, so I hadn't time for anything more than a cursory glance. One way or another, I will be done with my end of term assessments tomorrow, while the sun is shining, so I'll take a look then and the LSD page. Geogre 03:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Ho ho ho, you said LSD. Anyway, there's been some progress in terms of some editors agreeing to look at it on a paragraph-by-paragraph basis; that's probably a more lengthy involvement than you have time for, but in any case, it'd be good to have your advice. Thanks. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 04:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:User_talk:Reaverdrop#Exmormonism

Likewise. Glad you liked it. I look forward to collaborating too. - Reaverdrop 04:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. So while I was here I went to check out your gallery of amusing vandals, and what did I find but a user named The Soul Reaver! Separated at wikibirth?! Thanks for the pointer. (The funniest vandal is Naughty Brigham.) - Reaverdrop 04:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carbines RFA

all wikipedians i am nominating for admin very soon and i would like your support. i have been a member of the anti vandilsm unit and community justice and i have done alot in my time to help keep wikipedia going at the best it can be. Your support would be much appreciated

Carbine (soon to be adimin)

i have helped stop many vandels in my time of great service i am also a memeber os esperanza which i have worked with to create a better place

carbine (soon to be admin)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#carbines_RFA

this is my nomination page check it out

user carbine (RFA)

You will never stop me you evil @#%$#%$&

[edit] Epsiloon

Did you use Wikipedia for a while before creating an account? I'm impressed by your understanding and editing ability. Also, would you be interested in joining the LDS Wikiproject? Could always use another editor. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 09:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

The complement is greatly appreciated.

I only made a few edits before getting an account, but I've been reading talk pages for a long time (I realise how odd that is). I've always been struck dumb at the sort of bickering you get on Wikipedia. I mean, it's like these people have a vested interest, as if there's some real world consequence to what happens here. I, for the life of me, can't see what it is, and that's part of the reason why I signed up.

Moving on—if you'll excuse the preceding tangent—I haven't the slightest idea how a WikiProject is supposed to work. My gut feeling is that it's either an awesomely helpful tool for coordinating editors, or just another layer of hopeless bureaucracy. Am I hot or cold? Epsiloon 10:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Hot on both, really. It can be helpful, and it can be needless red tape (plenty of that on Wikipedia). The LDS Project isn't as active as some of the others here, but it's a good gathering point for editors with an interest in LDS related articles. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 10:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template Fix

No - problem - we may want to consider making the Welcome to Wikipedia not be indicated by the == since that makes it so if you click the section edits it takes you to edit the template being transcluded. Instead use a <h2> type marking which will make it large and bold but not have the section edit capability. Trödel 12:42, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

TY, I'll display it proudly. Computerjoe's talk 15:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA note

Thanks for letting me know about this. Unfortunately, I think Zpb52 has just dug himself a bit deeper into the hole. I can't support an admin nom, when I (as a non-admin) have to point out the correct action to him. Tyrenius 04:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Important Note

I would just like to point out that I hate you and I hope you die. Best regards, 60.227.174.236 06:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you, I hope I can improve myself and then re-apply. While I'm here, have a smile. ; ) Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 08:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Rmrfstar's RfA

I don't think this is just a matter of different priorities, but "well roundedness" or editing "diversity" are not valid criteria for RfAs. I fail to see how either of these qualities could help separate good admins from bad ones. If you trust me with the tools, then I should have them. Why? Because an administrator is just a user that can be trusted with tools that originally everyone' had.

My history proves my good intentions and good practice in Wikipedia. If I suddenly can rollback, ban, etc., I'm not going to completely change and become "harmful". I'll still do everything I have been doing, but with increased ease. For the tools would be useful to me. There have been many times in the past where I couldn't move a page, or couldn't fix typos on the Main Page, but had to request them and wait.-- Rmrfstar 12:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Rmr. Thanks for moving your concerns here; I appreciate it. Also, I apologize that I haven't replied to you before; I've been in the middle of out-of-town job interviews, limiting my time on Wikipedia.

However, most of what I could tell you has already been said on your RfA page. I'm not sure what else you want to hear from me... of course well-rounded and diverse contributions will improve an editor, as they'll be able to better understand the different approaches taken to different types of articles. For example, many of my edits are to religiously based articles, which have their own types of controversies and editing approaches... but I also try to edit those related to social effects (i.e. damage from Hurricane Katrina to the U.S. Gulf Coast), which have another type of style. As an admin, you'll need to be able to understand those styles in resolving disputes, AfDs, and so on.

Speaking of AfDs, that was another concern. Admins need to be able to close some, speedy delete some, end some early, and so on. Without much participation in them previously, you wouldn't have the experience necessary to do that job well. Same goes for other parts of the Wikipedia namespace that you haven't been a part of yet... but, if you do involve yourself in them more, I have the expectation that in time you will be proficient enough to win my vote. But right now, I just don't see you being capable of handling admin tools. Time alone at Wikipedia, even as a skilled editor (which you are), is not enough to automatically "merit" adminship. Wikipedia:List of non-admins with high edit counts is evidence of that.

The last thing I'd add, although it's really too late, is a suggestion that you hold off on debating oppose votes. RfAs can seem personal at times, and for some, I suppose they are (which is wrong, of course). I believe that your intent is to better understand opposing votes, but it's coming off as being argumentative, which is a surefire way to pile more of them on. When an editor gives ample reason (which I have done long ago, although I'm willing to discuss it at length with you), that should be sufficient. If it's an extenuating circumstance, dropping a line on their talk page would be fine. But seeing an RfA filled with criticism of oppose votes, especially when it comes from the candidate, is a big red flag for me and many others.

Best of luck on your future edits. I'll look for another RfA for you in the coming months, and hope to change my vote to a strong support at that time. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 05:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

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[edit] Community Justice Newsletter

Community Justice Newsletter

Welcome Previously, various notices regarding Community Justice have gone out to our members; though this is the first actual newsletter. This issue will contain information regarding decisions made on the first meeting, our new council, and more...! If you wish to unsubscribe to future newsletters, please add your name to Wikipedia:Community Justice/Do Not Spam. New Council Following our first elections, a new council has been elected.Computerjoe and Ian13 remain as chairman and chief executive (respectively); while Eddieh, Wiki alf and Xchrisblackx are replaced as councillors by Ilyanep, Osbus and Covington. The Giant Puffin and Pureblade remain as councillors. Member Conduct In the last meeting, the conduct of 4 members was discussed. Ethnopunk will be put on probation, supervised by Ian13, if he/she is incivil during this probation, he/she will be expelled from WP:CJ; the same was decided for Misza13 (voluntarily), and his probation will be supervised by Computerjoe. No action will be taken against Computerjoe. Barnstar The Civility Barnstar which our members have designed has been sent to Barnstar and award proposals. We'd appreciate your feedback! Also, we are planning to make a Community Justice barnstar to give to hard-working CJ members. If you're a budding designer, consider trying to make it, then post your proposal to WT:CJ! Name and logo change There has been no consensus reached regarding changing our name and/or logo neither at WT:CJ nor at WT:CJ/M/1. While suggestions are still welcome, no action will be taken at this time. Programs We are going to try to create programs to more actively involve our members. If you have any ideas, please drop a line at WT:CJ. We will try to work with WP:ESP on one of these programs, at some point in the future. Thanks! Thank you for your time. If you need anything, feel free to comment at WT:CJ or come into our IRC channel [2]. Computerjoe wishes to extend his thanks to User:Robchurch, a non-member who assisted in making {{tracker}} redundant, as well as Misza13 for his continued support and to the whole of this and the previous council. This newsletter was delivered by CJBot, written by Computerjoe, with technical help from Misza13. Computerjoe's talk 19:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Too bad

It's too bad that you changed your mind on my RfA. I mean, honest mistakes happen (especially with VandalProof and one of its known bugs), and I reverted all of those immediately. --Zpb52 06:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sukh's RFA - Thanks!

Thank you for your vote on my RfA. Unfortunately there was no consensus reached at 43 support, 18 oppose and 8 neutral. I've just found out that there is a feature in "my preferences" that forces me to use edit summaries. I've now got it enabled :) Thanks again. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Renovation

No problem, Tijuana; your page was pleasure to redesign. :) I like the improvements you've made to it as well! Enjoy your wikihiatus, and I'll be here to answer any questions you may have. Take care, Sango123 (e) 21:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] *poke*

Hey there. I don't really have any particular reason for bothering you, just wanted to check up on my old friends. >_< Master of Puppets ^{That's hot.} 01:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine, thanks. Coming back for a while to do some editing while I wait to start a new job, and finally getting around to accepting a month old RfA nom. Thanks for the note, let me know how you are and if there's any article help you need from me... always glad to peer review, cleanup, or whatever. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 01:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Awesome, and I know the new job will go well for you! I mysefl am fine... just lounging around helping out with RfA and such. Cheers, Master of Puppets ^{That's hot.} 01:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA

I've added two questions to your RfA. When you have a minute, I'd appreciate if you would take a look. Thanks. JoshuaZ 02:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Will do, thanks for the notice. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 02:42, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on my page. I have only had a chance to look at about half a dozen of your pages so far. I suspect I'll be able to change my vote when I find the time to look at more. Good luck with your vote! Ted 05:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of on-screen deaths (by actor)

• Are you sure about your vote here? I think the authors rather bold intention is to actually create a list of characters who die in films, not actors who accidentally get killed on set. Nice one, Deizio talk 01:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right, thanks for the correction. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa!-E@ 01:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism of Mormonism Article

Brass, I know you were active on this article in the past; however, I would ask you to take a look again. There is a need for nonMormons to assist in making sure that we Mormons are meeting NPOV standards and to further facilitate some of nonmormon editors.

Also, I think I have come to the point where I think it impossible to keep this article substantially different from Mormonism and Christianity or what is covered in Anti-Mormonism. I find that it is more of a redundant article. I have asked whether it should be deleted; I know we talked about that in the past. I can't remember where you were on the vote. Regardless, if you have some time, please visit the article again. Thanks. (btw, I am actually trying to not tweak any noses...ok at least today I am not.) Storm Rider ^(talk) 07:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Will be glad to return to the discussion within a day or so. We'll see if I get accused of being a closet Mormon again as I was at Anti-Mormonism. I also tend to agree with you on the duplicated efforts in the Criticism article; I proposed a merge around a month ago, but didn't find much support for it and subsequently withdrew the proposal.

And you have yet to tweak my nose. Given that I have a head cold at the moment, you probably wouldn't want to, either. Tijuana Brass^E@ 07:20, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Community Justice

It looks like all upheaval is over if u wish to rejoin Cicero Dog 19:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note and invite, but my concern is not limited to the recent discussion over the "government" of CJ. Rather, it's about the tendency of the group to focus its time organizing, then reorganizing, then reorganizing again instead of doing much of anything meaningful. Newsletters and elections are nice, and sometimes necessary, but I have yet to see anything truly productive come out of CJ since the the creation of a couple of templates (and even that was a minor thing).

Now, don't get me wrong. I believe there could be potential for the project, I really do. And I believe those involved have good intentions, and appreciate that. But for the past few weeks, there's been repeated statements of "Hey, let's do a project"... yet nothing materializes. I waited to see if the editors who were selected to lead the group would take the proper initiative to create some meaningful goals, and when that didn't pan out, I proposed both a means to help plan and a goal of my own (which had some intentional vagueness to it, intended to spark discussion). But the conversation once again turned towards organizational issues — or, rather, never turned away from them — which is a sign to me that this group isn't on the right track.

To give an example from my personal life, I spent two years as a missionary in Venezuela when I was a Mormon. It was a tremendous place to work; at the time, it was one of the highest-baptizing areas for the LDS Church. Tons of people wanted to hear what the missionaries had to say, and we all had our hands full trying to figure out how to use our time best to reach as many potential members as possible. I learned quickly that the most effective missionaries were the ones who spent a short time planning, using techniques that they knew worked, and then focused the rest of their time on putting it to use instead of tweaking it endlessly to find the "perfect way" to reach the unchurched. There were flashier ways to present the gospel, more elaborate methods than those used by the ones who really grinded away, but they ended up using so much time to plan and organize that it lost its effectiveness. Of course, the techniques were still refined from time to time, but it was secondary to hard, dedicated work.

That's the ethic which has carried successful groups here at Wikipedia, like Esperanza. I'm still not decided if Community Justice is wholly necessary as a unique group, or if it would do better merged into another one, but I know that the same ethic would make that clear, and serve the intentions of the editors who have joined CJ. In any case, until I see a shift from endless planning to actual work, I'm staying out — but my name is only crossed out, as opposed to being removed altogether, because I believe that it may eventually happen. Tijuana Brass^E@ 22:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I understand completely your concerns User:Tijuana Brass and i too fear that over organisation is killing the organisation i will let others know how you feel and possibly - at long last- some form of action can be taken within CJ. I hope that one day soon you will re instate yourself ... until then adu. Cicero Dog 15:02, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] EWS23's RfA

Hello Tijuana Brass! Thank you very much for your support of my request for adminship. I'm always glad to see fellow Texans on the project, and I hope to work with you more in the future. Thanks again, and if you ever see anything that I could do better, feel free to leave me a message. EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 03:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Highway's RfA

[edit] Revert

Thanks for taking care of the vandalism on my userpage. Carbine has taken a liking to mine and a couple others in his time here. Tijuana Brass^E@ 07:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

No probs! Hopefully there won't be anything more from Carbine and the 7 Dwarves. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 07:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] *peeks around*

I just want to say that I adore your userpage. :) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/!? 17:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Coming from the guy who has an unique and well-designed page himself, I'm taking that as a great compliment. Thanks! User:Mailer Diablo's has always been my personal favorite. Tijuana Brass^E@ 17:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and congratulations on your recently passed RfA. Glad to have another Esperanzian doing mopwork. Tijuana Brass^E@ 17:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I think this is the only place where you can say, "I'm a janitor and damned proud of it!" :) -→Buchanan-Hermit™/!? 17:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Community Justice

I've recently made a large proposal and comment on Community Justice, and I would appreciate it if you would comment. Also, I hope that you can someday re-join Community Justice, as you've made many valuable contributions to the project. --☆TBC☆ 00:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. Computerjoe's talk 15:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping me updated, y'all. I'm pleased that the conversation there is beginning to move in what I see as the right direction (in my own humble opinion, of course), and TBC's proposals is very well thought out. I'll continue to monitor things, but right now, the time isn't right to jump back in, partially because of the complications of starting a new job. If things continue to build towards a more clearly-defined group, I'd be glad to take part. I appreciate your concern to make me feel welcome. Tijuana Brass^E@ 16:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

We are now Wikipedia:Concordia, please feel free to help out! Ian13/talk 13:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More CJ

Hi, Tijuana Brass. This whole WP:CJ project makes me uneasy. Can you give me more information from your perspective? Thanks :) Dlohcierekim

Thanks for your response, always worth more than 2 cents to me. Yours, :) Dlohcierekim 13:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "I love vandals" section

What happened to it? (Respond on my talk page)Anonymous_anonymous_Have a Nice Day 20:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's one. An ip vandal recently vandalised one of my articles. CLICK ME Anonymous_anonymous_Have a Nice Day 22:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFA

Your RFA is looking good. Anonymous_anonymous_Have a Nice Day 09:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; I honestly didn't expect to receive so many supportive votes. It's been uplifting. Tijuana Brass^E@ 21:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "I love vandals" section

The Diet of Worms vandalism on May 25. Anonymous_anonymous_Have a Nice Day 12:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

That one's a riot. Probably the funniest one I've seen since I started RC patrol (which I've been absent on lately, explaining the lack of new additions). Thanks, I love it. By the way, hope the school year wraps up well for you. Tijuana Brass^E@ 18:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concordia newsletter

Concordia Newsletter

Community Justice is no more. It has been reformed to Concordia. Membership has been transferred.

Concordia is an organization of editors on Wikipedia that strive to encourage civility and fair treatment among all editors in the Wikipedian community, from the Wikignome to the Wikiholic. The project was designed to have a friendly and helpful environment to support any unfortunate Wikipedians that have become victims of incivility, hostility, or continual disrespect.

We currently need help in getting going, and making the community understand our aims. We work for civility. Nothing more, nothing less.

If you have ideas, let us know at our talk page, or on the IRC channel. We aim to spread civility in every way we can.

Should you wish to unsubscribe to future newsletters, please add your name to Wikipedia:Concordia/Do Not Spam.

Thank you for your time. If you need anything, feel free to comment at WT:CCD or come into our IRC channel [3].

- The Concordia council. Delivered by Ian13 13:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship

Congratulations, you are now an administrator - and with an overwhelming majority! If you haven't already, now is the time to check out the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and the Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or check out the Administrators' noticeboard. Best wishes, Warofdreams talk 01:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your new mop! Sango123 (e) 01:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations! Nice majority too. --james_{(lets talk)} 01:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, well done my friend! And what a suave nominator you went with too... ++Lar: t/c 02:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Good job! I'm sure you will be a great admin. Cheers. Srikeit^{(talk ¦ ✉)} 03:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

A great performance! Best of luck for the future! --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 03:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all the kind comments; I'm overwhelmed by the support received on my RfA. I'll get around to some more personal thank yous in a day or two, but I wanted to leave a note of gratitude. Thank you. Tijuana Brass^E@ 07:06, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your comments in Lar's RfA!

We are here to build an encyclopedia!

Hi Brass, and thank you for your comments in my request for adminship! (HOWEVER... NEUTRAL??? As if!) With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! Thanks again, and I will do everything I can to justify the trust you've placed in me! It will be great adminning with you, nice to see you made it! ++Lar: t/c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Adverts: Like The Beatles?... Like LEGO?... In a WikiProject that classifies?... Are you an accountable admin?... Got DYK?...

[edit] Copyright question

First i wish you good luck in your new job, 2nd of all thanks for your note about translation of Arabic PSP, I just noticed the En in the url and repost it to Ar LOL Latley i've been having msgs of some photos i've uploaded for the article Latifa and Ela Toghat Al Alaam. I've been told that they might be deleted because i didn't mention anything about the rights, i have no idea what to write there, i work in her official site and i have permission to use them...any suggestions? Have a great day ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bashari (talk • contribs).

[edit] Weirdy - Weird Images SubPage

First of all, I was reading your userpage, and I wish you very well in your new job. I also hope that you will make more than a few constructive edits to Wikipedia. Secondly, I must thank you for admiring my Weird Images subpage. Shame it had to go, because my little brother got me busted for looking up information on Pornography. And, it was the third time. Handy hint, why not make one of your own? Just copy and paste the image crap and create your own subpage with my weird images. I might hand the job over to you, eh, and you can add more. Anyway, in the meantime, good luck in your job. Weirdy 07:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC) ho-hum...

Thanks for the well wishes, I appreciate it. Ironically, while trying to learn the difference between copyright, fair use, GNU, copyleft, and everything else that images can fall under, I found a few other "weird image galleries" a couple of days ago, all of which did the job far better than I would (although I may keep a few of the most bizarre for my vandalism section). Thanks for the note. Tijuana Brass^E@ 07:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] congrats

Enjoy your new mop! :) Dlohcierekim 10:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carbine sockpuppets

Our friend User:Carbine has another pair of followers today - User:Smugface the bearded dwarf and User:Dfrg.msc. Can these be indef blocked? Both are either vandalism only or unreferenced POV pushing accounts. Kevin 12:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Note, I think there are a number of "Smugface the X dwarf" where X has a lot of different variants. ++Lar: t/c 18:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

i am not the puppet guy its all lies and vandilism from tijuana. User:Dfrg.mscis not a puppet. there is no evidence just people lying

• This request to Jimbo Wales would suggest otherwise, at least in regard to the "Smugface the <x> dwarf" series. --Elkman 13:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Admin

I'm still on wikibreak (and I decided not to leave wikipedia). I'm only replying to messages. Being a teacher can really be stressful. Oh yes, congratulations on your RFA. Anonymous_anonymous_Have a Nice Day 13:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Of course, Tijuana Brass, congratulations on your adminship. Enjoy it.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blnguyen's RfA

Hello Tijuana Brass. Thank you for your strong support at request for adminship which ended at the overwhelming and flattering result of (160/1/0), and leaves me in a position of having to live up to a high standard of community expectation. Of course, if I make any procedural mistakes, feel free to point them out and I look forward to working with you in the future, Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CSD I5

Recently you deleted quite a few images tagged as CSD I5. However, as far as I can tell, you didn't wait the required 7 days. Could you shed some light on this? The problem is that all image deletions are final, so they can't be undeleted. Thanks. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 07:05, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Another question. David Rhone. CSD A7 states "An article about a real person, group of people, band, or club that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject." However the article did assert notability (to some extent) by including "...Communications Director and Press Secretary for CU Students for Churchill" To add, Wikipedia:Deletion of vanity articles states "Only those articles where there is no remotely plausible assertion of notability should be considered for Wikipedia:Speedy deletion." While I have done absolutely no research on this figure, it is possible that CU Students for Churchill was involved in something that gained media attention. If you take a look at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion, there is quite a bit of agreement that CSD A7 is used too broadly for things that should be proded or sent to AfD instead. To be honest, in the past I probably have been a little to liberal by deleting things as CSD A7 myself when I should have proded them instead, but now I feel that the community as a whole believes strongly that admins need to be more conservative with our usage of CSD A7. If this article was proded or sent to AfD, most likely it would have been deleted anyway, but I am just trying to point out an example. Thanks. --PS2pcGAMER (talk) 07:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Regarding the images, at the time, I had two browser windows open: one to images past seven days, and one that listed all unlicensed images. I initially began with listings which were 8 days old, but after leaving the computer for a few minutes, I switched over without realizing it. It was a mistake, but if it's any consolation, I limited most of my deletions to non-controversial cases.

Concerning David Rhone, when an article of that nature comes up where it seems like there may be reason to remove the speedy tag (whether to relist it as an AfD or just leave it alone), I'll do some research first. I did so in this case and found little to suggest Rhone was of encyclopedic notability. I agree, articles are speedy deleted more often than they probably should. If you feel that I erred, you're welcome to undelete the article and list it at AfD; I won't take it personally.

Thanks for being concerned for a new admin. Tijuana Brass^E@ 17:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article formatting

Dear Tropical cyclone editor,

As a member of the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject, you are receiving this message to describe how you can better tropical cyclone articles. There are hundreds of tropical cyclone articles, though many of them are poorly organized and lacking in information. Using the existing featured articles as a guide line, here is the basic format for the ideal tropical cyclone article.

1. Infobox- Whenever possible, the infobox should have a picture for the tropical cyclone. The picture can be any uploaded picture about the storm, though ideally it should be a satellite shot of the system. If that is not available, damage pictures, either during the storm or after the storm, are suitable. In the area that says Formed, indicate the date on which the storm first developed into a tropical depression. In the area that says Dissipated, indicate the date on which the storm lost its tropical characteristics. This includes when the storm became extratropical, or if it dissipated. If the storm dissipated and reformed, include the original start date and the final end date. Highest winds should be the local unit of measurement for speed (mph in non-metric countries, km/h in metric countries), with the other unit in parenthesis. The lowest pressure should be in mbars. Damages should, when available, be in the year of impact, then the present year. The unit of currency can be at your discretion, though typically it should be in USD. Fatalities indicate direct deaths first, then indirect deaths. Areas affected should only be major areas of impact. Specific islands or cities should only be mentioned if majority of the cyclone's effects occurred there.
2. Intro- The intro for every article should be, at a minimum, 2 paragraphs. For more impacting hurricanes, it should be 3. The first should describe the storm in general, including a link to the seasonal article, its number in the season, and other statistics. The second should include a brief storm history, while the third should be impact.
3. Storm history- The storm history should be a decent length, relatively proportional to the longevity of the storm. Generally speaking, the first paragraph should be the origins of the storm, leading to the system reaching tropical storm status. The second should be the storm reaching its peak. The third should be post-peak until landfall and dissipation. This section is very flexable, depending on meteorological conditions, but it should generally be around 3. Storm histories can be longer than three paragraphs, though they should be less than five. Anything more becomes excessive. Remember, all storm impacts, preparations, and records can go elsewhere. Additional pictures are useful here. If the picture in the infobox is of the storm at its peak, use a landfall picture in the storm history. If the picture in the infobox is of the storm at its landfall, use the peak. If the landfall is its peak, use a secondary peak, or even a random point in the storm's history.
4. Preparations- The preparations section can be any length, depending on the amount of preparations taken by people for the storm. Hurricane watches and warnings need to be mentioned here, as well as the number of people evacuated from the coast. Include numbers of shelters, and other info you can find on how people prepared for the storm.
5. Impact- For landfalling storms, the impact section should be the majority of the article. First, if the storm caused deaths in multiple areas, a death table would work well in the top level impact section. A paragraph of the general effects of the storm is also needed. After the intro paragraph, impact should be broken up by each major area. It depends on the information, but sections should be at least one paragraph, if not more. In the major impact areas, the first paragraph should be devoted to meteorological statistics, including rainfall totals, peak wind gusts on land, storm surge, wave heights, beach erosion, and tornadoes. The second should be actual damage. Possible additional paragraphs could be detailed information on crop damage or specifics. Death and damage tolls should be at the end. Pictures are needed, as well. Ideally, there would be at least one picture for each sub-section in the impact, though this sometimes can't happen. For storms that impact the United States or United States territories, this site can be used for rainfall data, including an image of rainfall totals.
6. Aftermath- The aftermath section should describe foreign aid, national aid, reconstruction, short-term and long-term environmental effects, and disease. Also, the storm's retirement information, whether it happened or not, should be mentioned here.
7. Records- This is optional, but can't hurt to be included.
8. Other- The ideal article should have inline sourcing, with the {{cite web}} formatting being preferable. Always double check your writing and make sure it makes sense.

Good luck with future writing, and if you have a question about the above, don't hesitate to ask. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Its your best friend

hello tijuana i see you have been working hard in my absence to discredit and lie. i am not a sockpuppet wheres the evidence. 1180 people use the computers. i am just one.

take your rag out of my user page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Carbine (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Hey

Computer also. --ForestH2

Bizarre vandalism... thanks. Tijuana Brass^E@ 03:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] i hope you have a terrible holiday

Dear Tijuana Brass (not really)

i am not a puppet nor is dfg,msc we are inicent wikipedians caught in your explicit love affair with kevin.

just take the sockpuppet thing of my page sister! Carbine 09:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Smugface the (insert word here) dwarf

Shouldn't Carbine be blocked for the use of these sockpuppets? Anonymous_anonymous_Have a Nice Day 10:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Probably. I'll let another admin handle it so it won't be unilateral. Thanks for keeping an eye on my page. Tijuana Brass^E@ 14:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD

While checking some orphaned AfD nominations, I found this one: Black Horse Courier. Would you complete it? You gave no reason to delete, so I cannot do it. - Liberatore(T) 15:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• This was passed over in a mass AfD nom. It is now completed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Horse Courier. Tijuana Brass^E@ 18:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of tongue-twisters

19:32, 29 May 2006 Tijuana Brass deleted "List of tongue-twisters" (CSD A5)

Why? 88.192.241.146 19:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

CSD A5 -- transwikied to Wikibooks, but promptly deleted. TheProject 05:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A haiku of thanks

Thanks for your support

In my RfA, which passed!

Wise I'll try to be.

I really appreciate your support, my fellow WP:EA/A watcher! I don't think I properly congratulated you on your successful RfA recently, so many congratulations for that too! I look forward to admining and keeping the stress levels of everyone down with you. :)

-- Natalya 04:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of tongue-twisters

Hi! I noticed you have deleted the article List of tongue-twisters, which I nominated for deletion. The debate resulted in a decision to transwiki, but unfortunately I can't find it anywhere on Wikibooks or elsewhere. Are you sure it was transwikied before deletion, and where is it now? Thanks! Rain74 14:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, I discovered it was moved to Wikibooks and then deleted from there. Rain74 11:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it was sent to Wikibooks. It originally had two tags, move to Wikibooks and move to Wikiquote, so I asked and was directed to send to Wikibooks. Doesn't look like it helped, though. :-) TheProject 05:44, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tropical cyclones WikiProject Newsletter #1

Number 1, June 4, 2006

The Hurricane Herald

This is the monthly newsletter of WikiProject Tropical Cyclones. The Hurricane Herald aims to give a summary of the activities of the WikiProject over the past month and upcoming events over the next month. In addition monthly tropical cyclone activity will be summarized.

You have received this as you are a member of the WikiProject, please add your username in the appropriate section on the mailing list. If you do not add your name to that list, the WikiProject will assume you do not wish to receive future versions of The Hurricane Herald. Sorry if the newsletter breaks your talk page formatting.

Storm of the month

Typhoon Chanchu was the first typhoon and first super typhoon of the 2006 Pacific typhoon season. Forming on May 9 over the open western Pacific Ocean, Chanchu moved over the Philippines on the 11th. There, it dropped heavy rainfall, causing mudslides, crop damage, and 41 deaths. It moved into the South China Sea, where it rapidly strengthened to a super typhoon on May 14, one of only two super typhoons recorded in the sea. It turned to the north, weakened, and struck the Fujian province of China as a minimal typhoon on the 17th. The typhoon flooded 192 houses, while heavy rainfall caused deadly mudslides. In China, Chanchu caused at least 25 deaths and $480 million in damage (2006 USD). Elsewhere on its path, strong waves from the typhoon sank eleven Vietnamese ships, killing at least 44 people. In Taiwan, heavy rainfall killed two people, while in Japan, severe waves killed one person and injured another.

Other tropical cyclone activity

• Tropical Storm Aletta existed in the eastern Pacific Ocean from May 25 to May 29, peaking as a 45 mph tropical storm.

New and improved articles

• New storm articles include: Typhoon Joan (1970), Hurricane Bonnie (1986), Tropical Storm Matthew (2004), Storm of October 1804, Typhoon Chanchu (2006) and Cyclone Olaf.

• New non-storm articles include: Tropical cyclone rainfall climatology, Dvorak technique and List of Bangladesh tropical cyclones.

• New Featured articles: 2005 Atlantic hurricane season, Hurricane Mitch, Hurricane Irene (2005) and Hurricane Claudette (2003)

• Articles which became A/GA class: Hurricane Katrina (A), Effect of Hurricane Katrina on New Orleans (A), Hurricane Felix (1995) (GA), Cyclone Percy (A), Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 (A), List of New Jersey hurricanes (A), Hurricane John (1994) (A), Tropical Storm Isabel (1985) (GA), Tropical Storm Odette (2003) (GA)

New articles and improvements wanted

• An article is requested on subtropical ridge
• The current collaboration of the fortnight is Hurricane Gilbert, please help improve this article.
• Improvements are requested to Indianola Hurricane of 1886, Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew.
• The WikiProject is likely to submit Hurricane John (1994) and Hurricane Katrina to Featured Article Candidates in the near future, so please help improve them to featured standard.

Member of the month

The May member of the month is TitoXD. The WikiProject awards this to him for his brilliant work in improving articles. TitoXD joined the WikiProject in October just after it had been founded. Since then he has contributed substantially to many articles, for example Hurricane Nora (1997), which is currently a Featured Article Candidate. He is also actively involved in the assessment of articles and so helps to improve many more articles.

Explanation of content

If you have a topic which is not directly related to any specific article but is relevant to the WikiProject bring it up on the Newsletters talk page, and it will probably be included in a future edition of The Hurricane Herald.

These two sections are decided by the community on the newsletter's talk page:

• Storm of the month: This is determined by a straw poll on the page. While all storms will be mentioned on the newsletter, the selected storm will be described in more detail.
• Member of the month: Nominations are made on the talk page, voting is by secret ballot; read the talk page for details. The winner receives the WikiProject's barnstar (when we make it).

Main Page content

• 2005 Atlantic hurricane season appeared on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article on June 1.
• Hurricane Floyd will appear on the Main Page as Today's Featured Article on June 17.
• Entries from Dvorak technique, Typhoon Joan (1970), Typhoon Chanchu (2006), and Storm of October 1804 appeared on the Main Page in the Did you know column during May.
• Entries from 5 other articles relating to tropical cyclones had appeared in the Did you know column earlier in 2006.

Storm article statistics

Grade	April	May	June
FA	7	7	10
A	4	5	7
GA	0	3	5
B	62	66	82
Start	154	177	168
Stub	13	12	10
Total	240	263	282
percentage ≥Less than B	69.6	71.6	63.1

The assessment scale

• The cyclone assessment scale is one of the bases of the new assessment scale for Version 1.0 of Wikipedia. It splits articles into several categories by quality, to identify which articles are "finished" and which ones still need to be improved.
• The assessment scale by itself counts of several grades:
  • FA: reserved for articles that have been identified as featured content only.
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[edit] Image:20050907093837-4879.jpg

Could I ask why you've tagged this as an improper fair use? I've in the meantime removed the disputed fair use tag and added a fair use rationale for usage in the subject's article, as the image comes from the subject's official (supposedly -- I have no reason not to believe this) MySpace page and therefore would probably fall under promotional usage. Feel free to undo this if you know something about this that I don't. Thanks! TheProject 05:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

It's been a while since I tagged it, but as I recall, this was one of a batch of images taken from MySpace pages that didn't appear to belong (in a copyright sense) to the contributing editor. However, since you've added a justification which seems legitimate enough to me, I see no reason to undo your revision. Thanks for the note. Tijuana Brass^E@ 18:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Elder_Scrolls-related_articles

The AFD's been closed ... and as you kindly volunteered to remove all those AFD notices - don't let me stop you! (although as a lot are being merged, they'll organically be removed anyway). Proto||type 09:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, there went an hour of my life... no more en masse AfDs for me. Tijuana Brass^E@ 18:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I Love Vandals Section

I found this one while using VandalProof Dutch Beer Vandalism at June 07, 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anonymous anonymous (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Carbine vandalism

I reverted vandalism made by a Carbine sockpuppet. 58.169.30.135 (talk • contribs) Anonymous_anonymous_Have a Nice Day 12:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Tijuana Brass^E@ 18:08, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

To extend the block you need to unblock first and then reblock. When conflicting blocks exist the shorter one applies. I've done this. --pgk^(talk) 18:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. Tijuana Brass^E@ 18:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] SOCK PUPPET!??

Ok Brassy, That sock puppet thing is seriously getting old. Just because I know, respect and share the same ideas with him (Carbine), DOES NOT MAKE HIM ME! I spell correctly and use Grammar! DAMN IT! BLUAGGHHH! SOCKS! SOCKS!

But seriously, just because we have mutual hate of certain subjects, doent make me us a Sockpuppet/Sockmaster combo. I assure you we are very different. I could make the same acusation about you and our friend Kevin. But do I? Noo! Because, you deserve the benifit of the doubt and I am far, far to lazy to do it anyway.

In closing:

Please revert that stupid template.

Dfrg.msc 01:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] those pages

I did as you asked, dunno if you knew or not. Hope all is well. ++Lar: t/c 23:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Exactly what I wanted. Thanks again. Tijuana Brass^E@ 14:42, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Carbine bot

Yep that's right, both indef means it'll still be indef. --pgk^(talk) 19:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:201.19.151.125

I'd like you to look at the evidence I posted on the Wikipedia_talk:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism page concerning your recent decision not to take action against this particular IP user for his recent vandalism on a number of pages. Thanks. ju66l3r 19:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why?

Why'd you offer deletion, let alone speedy deletion, for the article for International Thumb Wrestling Association? It's a little difficult for friends in Texas and Pennsylvania to just get together to start an organization.

--Slyder 22:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I can understand how one might view a conversation over AIM being less legitimate than a conversation in person, but the other cofounder currently lives in Texas while earning his master's degree and I live in Pennsylvania, making a face-to-face conversation difficult. Additionally, we are both not just little kids trying to start this. We are both well educated adults looking to have some fun. We also have other members beyond the two of us that are organizing themselves so they can add more World title holders.

If you can help me or know someone else that can help me put this article back in business, please let me know. Thanks.

--Slyder 22:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

http://www.geocities.com/i_tw_a

This is a start and is definitely not "great" by any means, but is a website nonetheless.

Heh, I like where it's going. Thanks for the link. Tijuana Brass^E@ 20:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Smhanson is an account started for a master's class of mine so I could keep that work seperate from Slyder Pilot. Thanks for the help as you might have noticed I'm still relatively new.

--Slyder 22:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very kindly. See you in the future.

--Slyder 22:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, this is keith almli.. thanks for the deletion. I will be forwarding to the boss

I got an email today (6/21) from columnist Thane Burnett of The Toronto Sun (Canada) about an interview for an article in his paper. Who's not notable now? ;-) Slyder Pilot^E@ 02:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

"I'm a writer with The Toronto Sun. Do you have a contact number for a future Sunday feature. And is there any Canadian connection at all in relation to the Thumb Wrestling Association. Please E-mail me back a contact phone number, and the best time of the day to reach you. Thanks.

Thane Burnett Toronto Sun"

[edit] Question.

I have a question about your ID. Your ID is Tijuana Brass. But I know What Tijuana is. Let's me explain about Tijuana. Tijuana is a city that is located in border US and Mexico. But Tijuana is west side of U.S and Mexico Border, and next to San Diego. I also visited Tijuana about 5years ago for traveling. That's the reason I know about Tijuana. But What does Brass mean? Could you explain in my discussion page? Cheers~!! *~Daniel~* 02:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Golden Torch.

Hello. I am a newcomer to Wikipedia and made an attempt at writing a starter (do you call it Stub) for an sixties Soul club in Stoke upon Trent called The Golden Torch. As it was not listed the next day I assumed I must not have pressed the save button, so wrote it again. I now find that it has been deleted and searching around all the FAQs etc. Came to your remark 'Niether Golden nor Torch' Please tell me what was incorrect and how it should have been written. regards, Docludi.

Hi Docludi. I've responded to your question on your talk page. Don't forget to log in to your account; right now you're only listed as an anonymous IP address. Let me know if you need any more help. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa! 23:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wondering aloud

I wonder how exactly User:Carbine, User:Dfrg.msc and User:Todjer (with his sockpuppet User:Todje) are related, if at all. They go around posting inane stuff on each other's user and user talk pages. Kimchi.sg 06:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Tell me about it. I suspect they're all secondary school friends living somewhere in Australia, given their interests in the Tomorrow Series, which is set there (never heard of it over here in the U.S., but who knows). In any case, they need to figure out something better to do with their time. Can't say that they're not persistent, though, and I'm sure there'll be another army of dwarf socks coming to leave bizarre pictures and comments soon enough. Welcome to the club. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa! 06:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Kramden4700, User:Tobyvonmeistersinger, and User:Steers got horns kid, you don't

Here is the evidence that Kramden4700 (talk • contribs) is another sock of Spotteddogsdotorg (talk • contribs): [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], and identical behavior and interests to this user's other sockpuppets, such as uploading numerous screenshots from TV news right after the account was created.

Most of this user's socks were blocked by User:Splash over the last few days.

Tobyvonmeistersinger (talk • contribs) is an old sock of this person that was missed when Splash blocked the others, and the main evidence is here: [9]. As it hasn't been used for a year it's probably not important but it's a good idea to tag all of these userpages as socks anyway.

As for Steers got horns kid, you don't (talk • contribs), is helping identify abusive socks and correctly tagging their userpages now considered vandalism and deserving of a block? If so, why? 70.108.122.27 07:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

70.108.122.27 is an anon sockpuppet for Steers got horns kid, you don't (talk • contribs) who was banned because "Account created solely to vandalise." I would go so far to say that Steers got horns kid, you don't (talk • contribs) and his anon proxies are a) most likely another sock of Spotteddogsdotorg (talk • contribs) created to throw off suspicions b) most a sock of MrPhilly TV (talk • contribs) who may or may not have "hacked" or some how figured out various user passwords, if you are to trust what they say c) these accounts were dormant ones, the users left Wikipedia, the passwords were hacked and they are in effect "open" accounts. Kramden4700 (talk • contribs) appears to be a newbie who may have innocently picked the wrong couple of articles to edit and seems to have made legitimate contributions and "identical behavior and interests" doesn't seem like an exact match. The whole thing looks like a big mess so I am not even using my regular user name so I can not get involved in the scrum. However, this whole bit of craziness has inspired me to be on the lookout for problems such as this and open proxies. I Watch 18:55, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

FYI The socks of Steers got horns kid, you don't (talk • contribs) have made several anon edits using ip addresses, possibly open proxies in the 70.108.*.* range including:

• 70.108.122.24
• 70.108.122.27
• 70.108.138.47
• 70.108.131.99

There may be more. The person or persons involved may have had an ongoing confilct with someone who had a website and is trying to wage a personal vendetta using Wikipedia that the website owner may not even know about! It is one of the weirdest things I have seen here in a long time. I Watch 19:04, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Yeah, thanks for you fairness in the whole socks thing. I wrote that, letter when I was angyr, and I should not have taken that tone with another user, thanks and sorry for the confusion. Dfrg.msc 08:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa! 08:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk Please

This is Locust43, I have gotten a new Ip so we could dicuss things because we have never discussed any of this. You this left warnings which really confused me alot. Before you block this IP I would like to hear your side of the story and I would like you to hear mine so maybe we could rationaly work something out. The last time, you did not give me enough time to add that last warning thing you left to the archive. you just blocked me. I was trying to figure out how to archive it again by following Wikipedia instructions. I really am sorry if you thing I was trying to be rude or something. I think this was a big misunderstanding. Please respond ASAP on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:68.113.77.49

68.113.77.49 08:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Ill just delete Locust43 and come back on a different name when the block is over so I don't have to run into ceartain Mods.

[edit] WoW related vandalism

Willy on Wheels Related vandalism Anonymous_Anonymous 11:48, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Eeech. Willy's gotta come up with something more original for my esteemed list, heh. Always glad to see new ones from you, though. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa! 15:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Q for you

Which template do I use on an indef-blocked user's talk page? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 20:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, when not using a personal explanation or other template, I usually just go with a repeat use of {{indefblock}}. Plenty more choices at WP:WARN, of course. By the way, congratulations on the successful RfA. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa! 20:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carbine

Looks like he's back again. See User:M1 carbine. Kevin 11:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Big surprise, eh. Thanks for the note. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa! 20:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Regarding the Cherry Creek High School, I accidently reverted the right version. I thought my previous vandalism revert didn't work, I am sorry about that error. Thank you for noticing, and thank you even more for keeping me honest. Yanksox ^(talk) 00:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] oh no

I just welcomed, with open arms, a user (Carbine) whom you seem to have been campaigning against for a while. His new alias is Smugface the krill dwarf, and he's left you a friendly message just above mine. Sorry about that, here I am trying to do the nice thing by welcoming new people, and I've already placed myself at the risk of fraternising with a vandal, and someone calling himself 'Mohammadabuzer'. Dammit!!!

Keep fighting the good fight! ^Triana_C 12:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

ah... and again... Smugface the cold dwarf. ^Triana_C 11:08, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A sockpuppet of a user you blocked

I was recently made aware on my talk page of a possible sockpuppet of User:Locust43, whom you blocked for an assortment of reasons. It appears that User:Cola2706 is making similar edits in which some of the same content is changed, (see diffs [10] and [11]). Namely the parts that show he is the same user is the changing of the word 'cell phones' to 'cells phones' and changing the list of Sprint Wireless competitors by size instead of customer totals. It's also possible that the user is trying to avoid the autoblock [12]. I came to you as you were the one who blocked the user to see what should be done. Thanks. Cowman109^Talk 21:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, the issue was handled by another administrator. Apparently the IP that Locust used was unblocked because of a claim that it was a dynamic IP, but if the evidence is correct, it was just a sockpuppet making a request for the IP to be unblocked. Cola has been blocked indefinitely and the IP has been blocked for 6 months. Thanks anyway, and happy wikibreak! :) Cowman109^Talk 17:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mormonism talk archive

I won't be the last person to comment on the archive...at least, not unless the "discuss it here" tag is removed from the top of the Talk:Mormonism page! <grin> Ya cain't be invitin' folks to discuss, and then tellin' 'em nah! --AuntieMormom 04:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, must've missed that one, thanks for pointing it out. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa! 05:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks!

Thanks for voting! Hello Tijuana Brass/Archive 3, and thank you so much for voting in my recent RfA. I am pleased to inform you that it passed with a final tally of (119/1/3), into the WP:100, so I have now been cleared for adminship and will soon be soaring above the clouds. I was overjoyed, shocked, and humbled by the tally, and, most importantly, all the support. Thank you. If there is ever anything you need, you know where you can find me. Take care.

--Pilot|guy 22:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LDS Project article template

I wanted to bring you up to date on a little project I'm undertaking. See the discsussion at Trodel's page: User_talk:Trödel/Archive_4#The_Project_and_template, and my own talk page.

I've yet created what will undoubtedly be another controversial, but much needed navigation template - let me know what you think: {{LDSproject}} -Visorstuff 00:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A short Esperanzial update

As you may have gathered, discussions have been raging for about a week on the Esperanza talk page as to the future direction of Esperanza. Some of these are still ongoing and warrant more input (such as the idea to scrap the members list altogether). However, some decisions have been made and the charter has hence been amended. See what happened. Basically, the whole leadership has had a reshuffle, so please review the new, improved charter.

As a result, we are electing 4 people this month. They will replace JoanneB and Pschemp and form a new tranche A, serving until December. Elections will begin on 2006-07-02 and last until 2006-07-09. If you wish to run for a Council position, add your name to the list before 2006-07-02. For more details, see Wikipedia:Esperanza/June 2006 elections.

Thanks and kind, Esperanzial regards, —Celestianpower ^háblame 16:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:Dfrg.msc

Dfrg.msc (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) has been report on WP:RFI as a suspected sockpuppet of Carbine (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log). A quick glance at user/talk pages and contribs seems to support that. I noticed on User talk:Dfrg.msc you agreed to the removal of the sockpuppet tags, but still seemed suspicious. Would you mind taking another look, and if you think they are the same would you support a block? Petros471 15:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Look guys! This sock puppet thing is seriously getting old. Just because I know, respect and share the same ideas with him (Carbine), DOES NOT MAKE HIM ME! I spell correctly and use Grammar! DAMN IT!

But seriously, just because we have mutual hate of certain subjects (and mutual like), doesnt make us a Sockpuppet/Sockmaster combo. I know the Main man personaly, but look again and show some empathy. Carbine and the Seven dwarves, live to destroy, or vandilze and I do nothing but (try) to create.

This does not mean that I dont find his edits hilarious.

Rock the Casbah,

Dfrg.msc 12:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Added my two cents; if you don't mind, drop me another line here if anything else develops, as my interaction with Wikipedia lately is usually confined to checking my talk page via Opera Mini on my cell phone. Thanks. Tijuana Brass^¡Épa! 05:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trigger Happy

Dear Administrator: I, like you, am an editor; I create articles and make edits. But, many, I am sure many other people out there, are tired, frustrated and angry with the behavior of many Administrators. I am certain that it is appallingly easy to revert and article, that someone has undoubtedly spent allot of time and effort writing. I have, in the past spent hours, researching, planning, writing, checking and revising an addition to an article only to have the whole lot deleted forever three minutes afterwards.

I know that deletion of material is essential in a free-to-edit encyclopedia, but if you see an article that someone has anonymously devoted their time to writing, why could you not revise it, change it or give a reason for you action? They deserve one.

I know all Administrators are not all Drunk-With-Power-Trigger-Happy-Nazis, many of you do an excellent job and you know who you are.

In closing: Create, don’t Destroy. Make a distinction between “what is right, and what is easy”. Be enriched and enrich others with the knowledge of other people.

And keep that finger off the trigger.

Spread the Word!

(If I don't cop flack for this one, I will climb the Reichtag Bulding in a Spiderman outfit).

Also, how do you get your page so bloody neat? Mine's so chocked full-of-shit you cant move. Dfrg.msc 12:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article proposal

TB, would you mind commenting on my proposal at Talk:Mormonism? Thx! --AuntieMormom 15:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Darwinbish

I hope you liked the rapidly evolving darwinbish, which comes straight out of the remoter swamps of the mind of User:FreplySpang. I got promptly rolled back like a vandal on your page--whole new experience! Bishonen | talk 20:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Kirtland Safety Society

I would like to alert you to the recent edits by Anon166 on the KSS page. He persists in placing a Brodie quotation, without context, in the article. I have reverted twice, referring him to the Brodie discussion on Joseph Smith, Jr. Archive 5, but the quotation reappears along with wild accusations. I moved the quote to the talk page and provided my views on how the quote could be included. Same result. As your comment is on his talk page, would you mind looking things over? I make it a policy to avoid 3RR and edit wars whenever possible, but the historian in me insists on using Brodie sparingly and with other sources. Of course, he does not agree. Thank for the help. WBardwin 03:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)