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[edit] Love Sction: disappeared
BRING IT BACK
[edit] Love section/Koibito controversy
So according to Mirlen, he was going to write up a little "test essay" or something involving the koibito information in the Love Section, show it to us and see if it was good so it could be added to Wikipedia. Well, several months have passed by and there's been no sign of that little "test essay" at all.
I can't help but wonder, did Mirlen even plan on writing that at all, or was it all just a little scheme to stop all the drama that was going on? Wouldn't surprise me if it was. 68.43.65.255 03:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.43.65.255 (talk) 03:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC).
It's unlikely that's gonna happen anytime soon. Don't wait for it. -Eileen-
[edit] Love
Who keeps writing stuff that obviously is a violation of a request to keep the Cloud/Aeris/Tifa debates objective? Cause it plain to see that this is only half of fanbase opinion. Keep this off or else I'm blocking the next person that writes it. -Eileen-
"Another point of interest is that the Japanese version is more romantic towards Cloud and Tifa. This is seen in several scripts in which a very deep connection between them exists, even to a point in which they can hear each other.
There is also a term, created by the Japanese, for the relationship between these two characters: Cloti. It is a cobination of their names Clo for Cloud, Ti for Tifa. It may be used in several ways such as "I'm a Cloti fan," as long as it remains pertaining to their romantic relationship."
I consider this original research (more specifically, one of many possible interpretations, not necessarily being the one of the creators), and therefore removed it as of Wikipedia:No original research. I'm removing this because of what I said before and your gonna tick off a lot of Cloris fans. Besides there should be no double standard. If nothing can be written bias toward Aeris than that goes for Tifa as well. By the way if by romantic you mean Cloud giving Tifa the cold shoulder than you've been successful. Square Enix isn't stupid, it doesn't want to alienate half of the fanbase by making the Japanese version bias toward Tifa. It's the player's choice. I'm saying this again, keep orginal/fanbase opinions off Wikipedia. Keep it in the forums. Here's a question: If Cloud loves Tifa so much than how come she doesn't know how to communicate with him, (he turns away from her and doesn't answer her question) and Cloud is living in Aeris's church and he wants to ask Aeris for her forgiveness. See, Square Enix has tried to make both sides happy. -Eileen-
You just proved how bias you are with your last paragraph, and my question still wasn't answered. Honestly, if you're going to write two paragraphs in retaliation to what I've written, it might as well be something that, I don't know, DOESN'T DODGE THE QUESTION THAT IS BEING ASKED.
That is all 69.47.126.6 18:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I was presenting what the Cleris fans might say. I actually like Cloud being with Yuffie. But I erased your stuff because its original research. As you yourself said
"Another point of interest is that the Japanese version is more romantic towards Cloud and Tifa. This is seen in several scripts in which a very deep connection between them exists, even to a point in which they can hear each other. There is also a term, created by the Japanese, for the relationship between these two characters: Cloti. It is a cobination of their names Clo for Cloud, Ti for Tifa. It may be used in several ways such as "I'm a Cloti fan," as long as it remains pertaining to their romantic relationship."
That is what is in violation of Wikipedia:No original research, because it is your interpretation. Please read the note that is written about in Love section that I'm reproduced from Tifa's page.
"Do NOT add any LT views here, especially as this is more a matter of interpretation/speculation than documented fact. Until Cloud/Tifa or Cloud/Aerith are proven as the canon couple from SE's own words, do not add how fans think "so and so" is an item. Wikipedia is about what HAS happened, not what WILL or MAY happen. Remember, speculation is avoided on Wikipedia, as stated by our policy."
So that why I erased your comments for those two reasons. -Eileen-
Didn't Nomura confirm that Cloud and Tifa were together by the time of Advent Children? I believe that info is in the Reunion Files, and when I find that particular line, I'll add it in. I have access to the book and I can read it. -MOG-
[edit] Tifa edits
User 68.226.119.234, your recent Tifa edits have been erased because they are not fit for an encyclopedia and are not what is quoted in the Sheila article that is referenced so keep it off of her page. Thanks. -Eileen-
[edit] Does Tifa use her Limit Breaks in Advent Children?
During the fight with Loz, it looks like Tifa uses her MeteoDrive Limit Break to throw Loz into the pews. Banjotooie142 19:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
- Several characters in Advent children use what appears to be their limit breaks in Advent Children (some blatantly, like Cloud's Blade Beam, and some are kinda iffy, like his Finishing Touch or Tifa's Meteodrive); however, as far as I know, none of these were officially confirmed by SE. I'm not sure if this merits a line anywhere in the article though. -ryand 06:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
You could technically say that Tifa uses all but one of her limit breaks (Dolphin Blow) during the fight with Loz. She starts off with a series of quick punches (Beat Rush) and a kick, is repelled/zapped, performs a sliding kick (Water Kick) that Loz jumps over, punches Loz into the wall, jumps off of the wall and pillar and kicks Loz again and knocks him backward, then kicks him again while performing a flip (Somersault, shown in slow motion). Then she is blocked, kicked back against the wall, where Loz hits the wall. Tifa then pushes him aside, and kicks him downward into the floor (Meteodrive). Loz then grabs her foot, swings her through the pews, and throws her into the wall. She lands on the wall on her feet, pushes off, and flies horizontally into Loz, dragging him along the floor (Final Heaven), then throws him into the air, grabs him, and throws him into the floor (Meteor Strike). It's not really definitive though since nothing is exactly the same as it was in the game so it's all open to interpretation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.82.10.128 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 20 November 2006.
[edit] Limit Break comparison
For the most part no, she does not use Limit Breaks. The movie uses her moveset from Ehrgeiz, which included very distinct limit break attacks in-game (performing a hold move on the opponent brought them out), none of which she uses in her fight scene in the film. The sliding kick is just one of her Ehrgeiz attacks, whereas she does also perform a Waterkick in that game. Likewise for things like Dolphin Blow and Meteodrive.
Beat Rush - Any series of punches could be interpreted as this anyway, but shouldn't it be two punches to the midsection followed by a crouching uppercut? I'll leave it to you to look for this during the fight scene.
Somersault - The backflipping kick she does is from Ehrgeiz. Somersault was a separate move which required a grapple; during Somersault she kicks herself off the opponent, whereas her Ehrgeiz backflip attack is just part of a three hit combo. Run and press High Attack three times.
Waterkick - Tifa has a sliding kick in Ehrgeiz, but Waterkick is a sweep. Run and press Low Attack for this sweep.
Meteodrive - Meteodrive is a suplex, which she clearly doesn't perform in AC.
Dolphin Blow - Infringingly similar to a good ol' Shoryuken. She doesn't use this in AC.
Meteor Strike - She unmistakably tosses Loz into a pew with this move.
Final Heaven - No way. She wouldn't have time to charge it anyway.
So in conclusion, Meteor Strike is the only of her seven limit break attacks that actually makes an appearance. The rest are Ehrgeiz moves, or just pure originality to keep us going during a martial arts sequence. ReloadPsi 14:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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Why doesn't anyone write her (or anyone's, for that matter) Limit Breaks? I've watched Advent Children, and didn't know what people mean when they mention the Limit Breaks they saw. Thank you, anyways. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.195.191 (talk • contribs) 00:44, 3 December 2006.
[edit] 75.16.139.81
75.16.139.81 made this comment in the main article after adding a section about The Advent Children Reunion files. I have moved it here.
this information was stated a long time ago until Aeris fans got angry and erased the factual info of Cloud and Tifa having any relations together. If you dont believe this information is stated if searched in many fan bases
AntiVan 05:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
It's not that Aeris fans got angry, it's a violation of the note on the love section to not express fan pairings. 67.142.130.46 23:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)Eileen67.142.130.46 23:14, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
How come on Tifa's page the love section is rather limited while on Aerith's page its rather large, this seems to be really unfair. -Franki-
[edit] Note
I added some more to the Love section and I hope that everyone likes it. Cheers. -Eileen-—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.121.185.108 (talk)
- I moved it here.
- It is important to note that Cloud loves both Aeris and Tifa. A conversation in Wall Market is evidence of this, he is overprotective of both girls although they are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves. Tifa is also Aeris's closest friend, they are always seen talking together when Cloud and everyone travels to a new area, and when Aeris died, Tifa gently touched Aeris's hair and bid farewell to her friend. Also in Advent Children, Tifa can sense Aeris's presence and despite their affections for Cloud, they have eternal friendship.
- I consider this original research (more specifically, one of many possible interpretations, not necessarily being the one of the creators), and therefore removed it as of Wikipedia:No original research. It's not because I don't like it, it's because it is violating the rules. --Yuuki Mayuki 18:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Attempted sabotage
Some loon has sabotaged the page and replaced it with nothing but an indecent picture of the character and some gibberish. I managed to restore it, but something has to be done; this isn't the first time I see something like this around here. MARQ 21:56, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- Business as usual in Wikipedia. *sigh* I don't really think the article is vandalised often enough to warrant protection however - most of the vandalisms on such non-mainstream articles is slow-burning... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 13:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
That apparently happens alot. Should we ban the violaters because it is not fair to protect it since most people respect Wikipedia? I could give you the list of IP addresses that violate it, if you want on your talk page. What do you think? -Eileen-
[edit] Name of Tifa's martial art
I added in the main page that Tifa is an expert in the Zangan-Ryu martial art. It's given as that in the Ehrgeiz instruction manual, and since her instructor's name is Zangan, I don't doubt it (something to do with the practice of sticking -Ryu after an instructor's name or something if s/he's teaching their own personalised art or whatever; I'm no expert on the subject). Sure, Ehrgeiz takes place in our Earth, not FF7's, plus it's all non-canon but it makes sense. I'd cite Ehrgeiz' instruction manual as the source if I could only find a scan of the blasted thing. Anyone out there able to scan it and upload it as proof? User:ReloadPsi 17:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
