Talk:THX 1138

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[edit] Ripoff of Logan's Run

I've often thought of this comparison and now I think it's time to add thins to Wikipedia. Logan's Run the novel was published in 1967, the same year that THX was originally made. The novel was later turned into a film in 1976. Seeing both movies, they are almost identical. I wonder if anyone else shares this same opinion with me. Given Lucas's penchant for blatantly stealing ideas for his work, I think this is a very plausible theory. Before I make the addition to the main page, I want to post here, hear some more ideas, and avoid an edit war.

Where did you read this? Recury 03:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Question about SEN and Nixon

Some of SEN's dialogue is taken from speeches by Richard Nixon

Does anyone know which lines and from which speeches? I wasn't able to find any source or proof that supports this statement in the article. Siyavash 16:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Then you should take it out or else post a "citation needed". I haven't seen the movie in decades, so I couldn't say one way or the other. Wahkeenah 19:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The line about SEN's dialogue being taken from speeches by Richard Nixon was probably taken from the DVD. I own the DVD, and remember hearing George Lucas talk about it in the director's commentary during the scene where THX and SEN are in the white-room/prison.--Geedubber 21:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Joyce Numerology

1+1=(2) A=B A+B=( ) $1+$1=($2)

In front of person there is a garden. In front of the entrance to the garden there are three stones. One on the ground, one on top of the one on the ground, and one on the top of the one on the one that is on top of the one on the ground with a peice of rope tied around it. Nature made the person then nature balanced the stone but who tied the rope around the top stone and why is what the sun asked at the end of the movie.

Some people are blinded by the light of nature, others embrace, yet others throw stones.

I can jump so high others can not, I could crawl so fast and others never breathed air and became born. What this movie tells us is what we can do, why we can do some things is what we need to ask ourselves when we can not see the garden because of the blinding light of logic which colors our existence.

If I needed someone to explain this movie to me, I'd pick someone who can count better. Your description of the "third" stone implies a fourth one in there somewhere. As for the sunset, Lucas himself has said repeatedly "it's just a sunset".Skyraider 4 July 2005 05:05 (UTC)

Lucas' use of the number 1138 can be seen as a tinkered allusion to the numerology employed by James Joyce, who used the number 1132 throughout Ulysses and Finnegan's Wake. According to Joseph Campbell, the number 1132, which repeats throughout Joyce's works in adresses and times of day among other things, can be best seen as a number symbolizing the fall of man ("32 feet per second per second," Leopold Bloom's manta of the rate of falling objects) and rebirth/redemption ("11" being the first new number in a cycle.)

Has Lucas himself ever mentioned Joyce's 1132 as influencing his choice of 1138? If there isn't a specific source to confirm that, the above paragraph is original research and should be removed. Lucas *was* a student of Joseph Campbell, so it's possible, but I'd like to see something specific to confirm that it's not just a coincidence. Skyraider 4 July 2005 05:05 (UTC)

Lucas' employing Joyce's numerology provides some interesting insights into the nature of his films, especially his epic Star Wars narrative. Multiplied together, Joyce's numbers produce the number 6, the number of episodes in Lucas' film cycle. One can then see the number 1138 as 1132+6=1138. Furthermore, Lucas' protagonist Anakin Skywalker undergoes the same transformative experiences implied by 1132--a fall from grace and redemption. Another multiplication process of the numbers, 3x2x11=66, produces the number of the the Emperor's holocaust command against the Jedi, Order 66.

I'm removing the above for the following reasons:
1) This is an article about THX-1138, not the Star Wars films.
2) When Lucas created the original short THX1138:4EB in 1967, he hadn't even sketched out the Star Wars storyline, much less decided on 6 films.
3) When Lucas *did* start creating the Star Wars saga, he planned 9 films, not 6, knocking your numerology into a cocked hat. It's only more recently that he decided to forgo Episodes 7-9.
4) Do you know how common "Fall from Grace -> Redemption" is as a plotline?
Skyraider 4 July 2005 05:05 (UTC)


It's been several months, and nobody has offered a citation to justify the inclusion of Joyceian numerology in this article. I'm removing it. --Skyraider 21:49, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I think I ran over a Wookie

During the car chase scene a voiceover clearly says words to the effect of "I think I ran over a Wookie". I seem to recall this was mentioned in an earlier version of the article but it is not present now. Is there a good reason the line is missing? Apparently when Lucas heard this line he liked the name and used it in Star Wars. Robert Brockway 08:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe they didn't want the article to sound like a transcription of the DVD commentary? Though that wouldn't explain why they left the other 10 paragraphs of "trivia." Recury 14:31, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
That bit of trivia was also removed from the imdb page so maybe it didn't actually happen?--Geedubber 19:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it happened, they point out where he says it in one of the featurettes or whatever they're called on the DVD. It still shouldn't be in the article though. Recury 01:05, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know why not. I'm actually in favor of a "Star Wars connections" section since there are a number of other terms from THX-1138 (including the name of the film) that appears in the first Star Wars films. 23skidoo 05:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Recury, why on Earth do you say it should not be included? Many articles include trivia. It is very clear in the audio and quite an odd statement that deserves some comment, especially when the nonsense word lives on Robert Brockway 06:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
Just because there are a lot of Star Wars connections doesn't mean they should all be put in this article. Just because a lot of articles include trivia doesn't mean that they should. This article's trivia section is already absurdly long (a problem I will be fixing shortly). If it deserves comment, it deserves it at Wookiee. Recury 15:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

The trivia section contains a lot of references from other films, many of which are then duplicated in the section with references from other films!

[edit] Trivia add  : Nine Inch Nails

Nine Inch Nails sample the film for the album " The Downward Spiral". It is also important to note Renzor wrote the song "we're in this together" from the fragile which references a quote from the film.

[edit] 1138 Trivia

I don't know how to put in references on the original article (and at the moment I don't have time to figure it out), but the Trivia section of this article says it doesn't have references. Most of the facts listed there are from the Internet Movie Database, if anyone wants to put the reference in the right format. If not, I'll come back and try to do it myself...

The URL for the page is: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066434/trivia

Laurie Tubawiki 06:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


Under the 1138 (number) page there is a lot of trivia about 1138 already. Why is it duplicated here ? Or should that section over there be brought here ? WendelScardua 15:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

A vast majority of the trivia section is a word-for-word lift from the imdb trivia page. Copyright violations can't be left in, so I am stripping everything from "George Lucas claims..." to "Lucas's original plan..." We can work any of it back nto the main text, if need be. Tarc 03:42, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] X3 character based on THX-1138?

  • Should it be noted that the character of Leech (the cure of the mutant gene) in X3: The Last Stand looks very much like THX-1138? He is dressed in white, has a shaved head, and is kept in a sterile-looking white room?

[edit] Film Cost?

Can someone please find out how much this film actually cost? I doubt that it was exactly 77,777,777.77 I would guess this is vandalism, but I'm unsure.

Jeroorda 01:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, that's the silliest thing I've seen in a few days. $777,777.77 is no estimate.

[edit] The year the film was made

List_of_science_fiction_films says it was shot in 1970. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.20.244.254 (talk) 19:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

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